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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well its your ilk thats defending a military government that has started to surpress opossition within days of taking power while claiming that a referendum is an affront to democracy.
    Haven't you been reading this thread?

    The Executive branch 'routinely' dominates both the legislative and judicial branches.

    This referendum wasn't 'just' an expression of opinion, it was going to be used as a blank check to subvert the principles upon which the people stood. Hugo Chavez Playbook 101.

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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    Haven't you been reading this thread?

    The Executive branch 'routinely' dominates both the legislative and judicial branches.

    This referendum wasn't 'just' an expression of opinion, it was going to be used as a blank check to subvert the principles upon which the people stood. Hugo Chavez Playbook 101.
    "Non-binding"

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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    My ilk? I'm rather consistently in favor of democratic liberty and processes, and if you can show otherwise, that I defend some "right-wing" government suppressing them somewhere, please do. The point is that both of you guys have done little but yawning when it comes to the misdeeds of left-wing strongmen vis-a-vis liberty. Very little worry about democratic rights in those cases . . .
    Hey I am the first to admit there have been "left wing" strong men in various places around the world, but that is not what we are talking about here.

    We are talking about a right wing lead military coup against a democratic elected government. And it is not after all a new thing in the region, where the few rich elite have used the military to hold on and take power and hold power away from the masses. There is pretty much no country in central and south America that has not been affected by right wing military elite coups through the last 60 years and most of those were supported by the US, and especially the US right wing. Now you can claim (and I would agree somewhat) that it was the cold war and ****, but guess what.. that is over. What is the excuse now?

    The US right are living up to their "conservative" stigmata, but living in the past and not wanting any change what so ever ....
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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    My ilk? I'm rather consistently in favor of democratic liberty and processes, and if you can show otherwise, that I defend some "right-wing" government suppressing them somewhere, please do. The point is that both of you guys have done little but yawning when it comes to the misdeeds of left-wing strongmen vis-a-vis liberty. Very little worry about democratic rights in those cases . . .
    Well you seam pretty much on the side of the Junta in Honduras in this instance, that is exactly what the Junta is doing. I love that im being painted as some sort of authoritarian for defending the right of people to vote for who they want

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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    He was trying to subvert the will of the people by asking what they thought about extending term limits?
    He called for a vote he had no power to call for, he used Chavez to print ballots because he is legally not allowed to do so and the courts of Honduras said "you can't do that."

    He was legally ousted.
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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    He called for a vote he had no power to call for, he used Chavez to print ballots because he is legally not allowed to do so and the courts of Honduras said "you can't do that."

    He was legally ousted.
    Well as i keep saying the legal thing to do would be to impeach him and the huge crackdown we,re seeing at the moment would seam to indicate that the military is a law unto themselves

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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well you seam pretty much on the side of the Junta in Honduras in this instance, that is exactly what the Junta is doing.
    I make a comment about you and Pete and the irony of your positions, and that makes me in favor of the "Junta"? Excellent reasoning skills there.


    I love that im being painted as some sort of authoritarian for defending the right of people to vote for who they want
    Again, not so great with reading comprehension. I "paint" you as nothing other than a hypocrite. If you're an "authoritarian," though, it's to the same extent which you appear to calling the "right-wingers" here, if that's what you're doing, because you have done the same thing as they regarding left-wing regimes.
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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hey I am the first to admit there have been "left wing" strong men in various places around the world, but that is not what we are talking about here.
    And you've defended them, too.


    We are talking about a right wing lead military coup against a democratic elected government. And it is not after all a new thing in the region, where the few rich elite have used the military to hold on and take power and hold power away from the masses. There is pretty much no country in central and south America that has not been affected by right wing military elite coups through the last 60 years and most of those were supported by the US, and especially the US right wing. Now you can claim (and I would agree somewhat) that it was the cold war and ****, but guess what.. that is over. What is the excuse now?

    The US right are living up to their "conservative" stigmata, but living in the past and not wanting any change what so ever ....
    So? None of that absolves you of your own hypocrisy.
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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well as i keep saying the legal thing to do would be to impeach him and the huge crackdown we,re seeing at the moment would seam to indicate that the military is a law unto themselves
    I have little faith that the populist protesters know much about their particular political machine.
    In a lot of countries, especially small ones, military is used for law enforcement all the time, so this is no big deal.

    A politician extending term limits is a poor excuse to usurp the rule of law.
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    Re: Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I make a comment about you and Pete and the irony of your positions, and that makes me in favor of the "Junta"? Excellent reasoning skills there.




    Again, not so great with reading comprehension. I "paint" you as nothing other than a hypocrite. If you're an "authoritarian," though, it's to the same extent which you appear to calling the "right-wingers" here, if that's what you're doing, because you have done the same thing as they regarding left-wing regimes.
    I seem to remember you arguing in its favor in another thread but correct me if wrong. Whom exactly should i be criticising and why?

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