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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

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    Though in agriculture how much of a variant in quality is there when picking produce?

    There's a large variant: too ripe, not ripe enough, miss the high quality fruit, pick the low quality fruit resulting in too many culls, while quality fruit continues to ripen on the plant, improper handling of the fruit causing bruising; there's as much quality control in produce picking as there is in putting a car together on an assembly line.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

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    So then what is the moral justification for minimum wage?
    I'm not an expert but I believe it set at what economics feel is a justified level for someone to live a life off the streets while trying to make your self more valuable to employers through experience and education.

    I don't think it is ever meant as a level to live your life at. It's an entry point to the employment world.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I'm not an expert but I believe it set at what economics feel is a justified level for someone to live a life off the streets while trying to make your self more valuable to employers through experience and education.
    But why should am employer be forced to pay that when he is not even getting that level of production from the worker? Sure, everything seems great for the worker, but what about the employee? Who speaks for him?

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's a large variant: too ripe, not ripe enough, miss the high quality fruit, pick the low quality fruit resulting in too many culls, while quality fruit continues to ripen on the plant, improper handling of the fruit causing bruising; there's as much quality control in produce picking as there is in putting a car together on an assembly line.

    I worked on my family's farms as a teenager and I can tell you that a field hand can make you, or break you.
    From my understanding these large farms pick everything within quadrants of growth and everything is shipped to a facility for sorting. The pickers don't make the decisions. I believe their is a documentary out a few years ago speaking to the thousand of pounds of wasted food due to the food not considered sell able in grocery stores.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    From my understanding these large farms pick everything within quadrants of growth and everything is shipped to a facility for sorting. The pickers don't make the decisions. I believe their is a documentary out a few years ago speaking to the thousand of pounds of wasted food due to the food not considered sell able in grocery stores.
    Some do, but not all.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But why should am employer be forced to pay that when he is not even getting that level of production from the worker? Sure, everything seems great for the worker, but what about the employee? Who speaks for him?
    Their representative in the House and Senate. Small business costs has always been a huge issue. I believe with the last hike in minimum wage was accompanied with a number of small business tax breaks.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But why should am employer be forced to pay that when he is not even getting that level of production from the worker? Sure, everything seems great for the worker, but what about the employee? Who speaks for him?
    The employer is the big, bad, greedy meanie that is getting rich on the backs of others. It's not PC to stick up for him.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The employer is the big, bad, greedy meanie that is getting rich on the backs of others. It's not PC to stick up for him.
    If the employer doesn't like the work the person is performing then he should fire that person. If the employer wants higher quality workers then go hire higher quality workers.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    If the employer doesn't like the work the person is performing then he should fire that person. If the employer wants higher quality workers then go hire higher quality workers.
    Sometimes that easier said than done. I own a fleet of trucks and you can't imagine how hard it is to find someone that wants to do something more than just hold a steering wheel. I've got a good crew, now, but I've gone through my fair share of losers.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sometimes that easier said than done. I own a fleet of trucks and you can't imagine how hard it is to find someone that wants to do something more than just hold a steering wheel. I've got a good crew, now, but I've gone through my fair share of losers.
    That area of transition until you get the right group happens for most companies. Imagine how much worse it would have been if you, as an employer, chose to higher illegal workers just so you could pay them less.
    "Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."
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