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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So you subscribe to the false theory that lower taxes equals lower government revenues.
    That's sometimes true, sometimes not. We know for sure, however, that lower taxes always equals more economic activity.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Here is a good place to start....(five second search)....When I have more time....I'll do the rest of your research for you.




    Wrong...read the link and do a little research of your own.

    The reality is....the death penalty is costly and a luxury that the State can no longer afford, this doesn't even get into whether it is morally right or not...this is simple economics.
    If California wants to cut billions from its budget, eliminate the death penalty and punish offenders by putting them in a 10x4 cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of their lives.

    [HERE'S the link: Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Here's an article from the LA Times today....discussing how much money the state could save by abolishing the death penalty.

    Death row foes now fight the cost of executions - Los Angeles Times
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're also able to work for $3.00 per hour, too. Wouldn't a pay hike cause our food prices to go through the roof? That's the argument that the Libbos have used to defend illegal labor all these years. Is not as true now?
    I don't know. It matters if the pay hikes turn the profits upside down. More then likely the pay hike will require that the work force be trimmed and less have to work harder to make up the slack.

    Also we would have 3 million people more paying taxes and contributing to the consumer market. That is beneficial to our economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If we're going to pay them minimum wage, anway, let's jsut deport all of them and give those jobs to actual American citizens.
    I'm all for that. The problem is the illegal workers do their work without complaint of conditions or time off, etc. You will be asking agricultural companies to give up paying a guy $3.00/hour that never talks back and works hard for someone they have to pay $8/hour that will constant complain and most likely bring the union into the fold.

    It would have to be setup correctly to make the transition as painless as possible to be accepted.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I'm all for that. The problem is the illegal workers do their work without complaint of conditions or time off, etc. You will be asking agricultural companies to give up paying a guy $3.00/hour that never talks back and works hard for someone they have to pay $8/hour that will constant complain and most likely bring the union into the fold.

    It would have to be setup correctly to make the transition as painless as possible to be accepted.
    How can we justify forcing someone to pay an employee $8 an hour when the work is only worth $3 an hour to him?

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    How can we justify forcing someone to pay an employee $8 an hour when the work is only worth $3 an hour to him?
    It's called minimum wage. To the employer the work is worth the lowest amount they can pay. I'm sure the employers would love for all their workers to work for free. One reason for minimum wage is to protect the livelihood of those that can be easily taken advantage of by employers through lack of options.

    You can agree or disagree with the existence of minimum wage but as it is, it exists.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It's called minimum wage. To the employer the work is worth the lowest amount they can pay. I'm sure the employers would love for all their workers to work for free. One reason for minimum wage is to protect the livelihood of those that can be easily taken advantage of by employers through lack of options.

    You can agree or disagree with the existence of minimum wage but as it is, it exists.
    I mean how can we morally justify it?

    And yes, employers would love for their workers to work for free, but if you have a policy that all of your employees will work for free, then you will have no employees.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The problem is the illegal workers do their work without complaint of conditions or time off, etc. You will be asking agricultural companies to give up paying a guy $3.00/hour that never talks back and works hard for someone they have to pay $8/hour that will constant complain and most likely bring the union into the fold.

    I'm not totally convinced that the illegals are the workaholics that most folks think they are. I've worked around plenty of them and scene suddenly, "no comprende". Generally speaking, they do whine less than your average American doing the same job, but you have to understand the position they're in. It's either do the job, as is, or go back to Mexico. Not much room for whinin there. As long as we live in a country that awards laziness and punishes hard work, that's the way it'll always be.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It would have to be setup correctly to make the transition as painless as possible to be accepted.
    Oh, that's easy enough.

    Start arresting employers of invaders, fining them, and putting them in jail.

    The transition to an invader-free agricultural industry will happen rapidly and painlessly to me.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    How can we justify forcing someone to pay an employee $8 an hour when the work is only worth $3 an hour to him?
    You can't.

    That's why the government has machine guns.

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