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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You have a primitive understanding of economics. More jobs will open up with all those people entering the economy.
    if they are HERE, they are already IN the economy....right?
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    It is unfortunate that the Governor and State Legislature will not do the job they were all sent there to do. They all fear the unions and will not take the action required to make the state Government more efficient with less as businesses are forced to do when times are hard. Everyone knows and can tell of examples they have witnessed of poor and or slow performance from state employees from the lowest positions to the highest. And if you complain you're talking to another over payed under worked molly coddled person who hasn't done an honest days work in more years than you can count.
    Add to this the stupid reduction of water to the greatest farming area in the whole world to save a fish with no appreciable identifiable value the Delta Smelt and you get a prescription to massively reduce food production, increase food costs nation wide, cause job losses and reduce taxes taken in by the state because sales to farmers for a myriad of products used in the production of all crops will be hit hard. Add to this income taxes both sTate and Federal will be negatively impacted.
    So what does this have to do with Washington saying Drop Dead? Simple it means California is on the edge of desperation with little hope of a good outcome because of fear and partisan politics. Couple the State's ills with the new Cap in Trade, threat to any economic recovery and it almost reaches a level of destruction that is close to Biblical proportions.
    It's time for someone with the welfare of the state as a whole to take initiative and present a set of plans that will exclude partisan nonsense and put it to the people to either vote it up or down and tell them the consequences if they don't act. I would include in that vote that if you vote in favor of a viable plan you are also recalling you representative at the same time. A no vote would recall the Governor.
    A Balanced Budget without massive hardship on the whole State is possible with a little thought and planning. Hell I know it can be done from personal experience balancing multimillion dollar budgets for years. We Californians are in need of sound leadership that is no longer there for the party but is there for the people and that will honor the oath of office they all took but seem to forget when they show up for work.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is the addition of more workers to the job market going to create more jobs? If that were the case, then there would be no such thing as unemployment.
    You're right, there is no such thing as involuntary unemployment unless the government intrudes.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    if they are HERE, they are already IN the economy....right?
    Yes, but there are barriers to entry, most importantly is minimum wage. If they are not worth minimum wage, then they will have to work long hours and many will not be employed. It's as simple as that.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the last thing that needs to happen. You are aware that the unemployment rate in this country is bumping 10%? What is adding an addition 15 million+ workers to the workforce going to do to remedy that?
    They are already working. They are just able to evade the taxes that go along with working.

    What is the negative of taxing an already established work force that is currently not paying taxes?
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What is the negative of taxing an already established work force that is currently not paying taxes?
    They're still here illegally, something should be done about it so that at least they're working legally.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What part of "illegal" escapes your comprehension?

    If agribusiness wants berry pickers, it can hire US citizens or legal immigrants, not invaders.
    That's great in theory. The reality is that illegal workers are hired and will remain hired until their work force can be replaced without impacting productivity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    1) Is the state funding your park? No? Then it's not an issue.

    2) Why shouldn't you pay a fee to use the park, instead of taxing people who aren't using it to keep it up?
    What is the price increase for security to keep people off the park property that have not paid? Are parks going to now be fenced in like amusement parks?
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    They're still here illegally, something should be done about it so that at least they're working legally.
    That's what I am saying.

    Some people on here don't want to go down that road. They just have this resentment and want the illegal workers to pay for their crimes no matter what and are unwilling to compromise. They would rather see industries in the United States fail and have us spend hundreds of million of dollars then to compromise with the workers.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Some people on here don't want to go down that road. They just have this resentment and want the illegal workers to pay for their crimes no matter what and are unwilling to compromise. They would rather see industries in the United States fail then to compromise with the workers.
    We should be in better control of the immigration problem. That said, I support free immigration, as long as we filter out the criminals.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    We should be in better control of the immigration problem. That said, I support free immigration, as long as we filter out the criminals.
    And how do you purpose to do that if they are illegal.

    Mexico is going to give the crooks a free pass on immigration just to get rid of them.

    Cost of illegals in California 10 billion a year and rising.That's one third of the deficient now,and is a major reason for it.

    Tell the people on welfare no work, no money,don't like the job, find yourself a better job and get off welfare.

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