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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Which is why I called it a faulty assumption.

    Reread my post.
    Or answer mine.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    If they are sent back to where they came from,their countries of origin,it would save Ca. about 10 billion dollars a year.
    As I've been trying to say the calculations are not as simple as you seem to think. When they leave there also goes the demand.

    Then tell most of the welfare people, hey we have jobs,but if you don't want to work we'll cut your welfare a lot.And if you still don't want to work, to nothing.
    Or just get rid of welfare altogether and the minimum wage concurrently and then you can only blame people themselves for not having a job.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Or answer mine.
    I don't know what to say, because you're just wrong.

    The only demand that changes is the demand from illegals. If they are forced back, then their demand will drop because the prices will be more expensive to them compared to when they lived in California.

    The analogy wasn't perfect, but it was meant to prove a point. You can't ignore the drop in demand that WILL happen.
    The point is that there's absolutely no evidence that the drop in demand will be equivalent, which is pretty much the heart of the matter.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The point is that there's absolutely no evidence that the drop in demand will be equivalent, which is pretty much the heart of the matter.
    It won't be, but just shipping off illegals will not get you full employment. If you don't have full employment then there is some other problem, namely minimum wage.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It won't be, but just shipping off illegals will not get you full employment. If you don't have full employment then there is some other problem, namely minimum wage.
    Yes, those are the only two possibilities - illegals or minimum wage.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    As I've been trying to say the calculations are not as simple as you seem to think. When they leave there also goes the demand.



    Or just get rid of welfare altogether and the minimum wage concurrently and then you can only blame people themselves for not having a job.
    No the bottom line to what I'm saying is that Ca. will save 10 billion a year,or 1/3 of our budget deficient,without them here.

    And yes you are right it won't give 100% employment, but it will make room for people who are hungry ,and who have to work now with their welfare reduced or eliminated.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    No the bottom line to what I'm saying is that Ca. will save 10 billion a year,or 1/3 of our budget deficient,without them here.
    I'm not disagreeing with you that kicking them out would decrease the amount we spend on prisons and welfare.

    And yes you are right it won't give 100% employment, but it will make room for people who are hungry ,and who have to work now with their welfare reduced or eliminated.
    I don't even get what you're trying to say here.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Yes, those are the only two possibilities - illegals or minimum wage.
    With minimum wage, we would have full employment, even with illegals. Kicking out illegals does not give you full employment. It's easy to see what the better solution is.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    With minimum wage, we would have full employment, even with illegals. Kicking out illegals does not give you full employment. It's easy to see what the better solution is.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Link?

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    Link? I already showed you show kicking out illegals would not solve the unemployment.

    If you get rid of minimum wage, the only excuse for people not having a job is that they are either lazy or are holding out for a higher wage, and at that point you should call it voluntary unemployment. Involuntary unemployment is what we want there to be none of and minimum wage is pretty much the only hindrance to it being at 0.

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