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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    No. Basing the schooling on money is not equal. It is not the children's fault that the parents can't afford a school, and so they shouldn't be handicapped because of it. We should improve our current school system, but privatizing schools is a bad idea. It should be left to the states with minimal national oversight.
    But the governmental inefficiencies are still going to be there.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But the governmental inefficiencies are still going to be there.
    Better than screwing the poor kids over because they are poor. We need to work to improve our system, but of course you're right. It'll never be perfect.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Better than screwing the poor kids over because they are poor. We need to work to improve our system, but of course you're right. It'll never be perfect.
    What's the justification for having the government do it instead of charities?

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What's the justification for having the government do it instead of charities?
    IDK, availability maybe? Last year i opened a poll that asked if there was a 0% income tax, would you give more to charity.

    The majority of people replied no....

    I would love for that to be an option, but its not currently feasible.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    IDK, availability maybe? Last year i opened a poll that asked if there was a 0% income tax, would you give more to charity.

    The majority of people replied no....

    I would love for that to be an option, but its not currently feasible.
    Any economist would tell you that the result you got is meaningless. What people say they will do and what people will actually do are often unrelated.

    It's only feasible because you haven't experienced it. Remember that this country has only had the income tax for about 100 years now. We were doing fine before it.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    It seems to me, that California would do well to export all their illegals. It would save some real bucks.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    It seems to me, that California would do well to export all their illegals. It would save some real bucks.
    If you ship out illegals then you also lose all of that production.

    There is no such thing as a certain number of jobs. If you ship them out, it's not as if all of those jobs will be replaced by Americans. Most of those jobs will just be lost.

    "Production creates its own demand."

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If you ship out illegals then you also lose all of that production.

    There is no such thing as a certain number of jobs. If you ship them out, it's not as if all of those jobs will be replaced by Americans. Most of those jobs will just be lost.

    "Production creates its own demand."
    You only have to look at the unemployment rate in California to know that those jobs would be filled.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Except that's not how an economy works. When those people leave then their demand also leaves. You're assuming that there will be just as much demand by saying that the jobs will be filled. Demand will drop when you ship people off and so the number of jobs will also drop.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    CA will be fine. They are going to go through some rough times in the near future, but overall I think the state will emerge stronger and better off. I agree that the rest of the US should not have to bail them out though. After all, it's hard to argue against the notion that the CA government has become a little too bloated. When the state prisons are paying for breast augmentation surgery, it's time to rethink how they are spending money.

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