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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Some just aren't cut out for school. You're just going to throw them to the ditch because their labor isn't worth minimum wage?
    Hell, no.

    They can dig the ditch first.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Or that they're incompetent/lazy. You don't need any particular "skills" to be able to add $7/hr of value.

    The guy who walks my dog makes $20 and the woman who used to clean my apartment made $18. What "skills" were necessary for those jobs? Nothing more than honesty, reliability and the ability to do a job competently.

    There are literally millions of jobs out there that don't require any specialized "skills."
    You may be willing to pay that much, but if I have an assembly line and want to hire a guy who's going to screw in light bulbs all day then I'm not going to pay him that much. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't convince me that the most menial of tasks is worth minimum wage.

    How are they being denied this opportunity? Are they being forbidden from taking entry level jobs? Are they being banned from accepting job offers that they think are "beneath" them?
    That's exactly it. They are being denied the opportunity to take those jobs because those jobs are destroyed when employers are forced to pay more than the job is worth.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If someone is not "cut out" for school and is unable to produce $7/hr worth of value, they should be thankful that they live in a society that no longer experiences natural selection.

    That's just pathetic.
    When they can't find a job then they come running for welfare benefits. The vicious cycle of government dependency.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You may be willing to pay that much, but if I have an assembly line and want to hire a guy who's going to screw in light bulbs all day then I'm not going to pay him that much. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't convince me that the most menial of tasks is worth minimum wage.
    If a task isn't worth $7/hr, then it probably doesn't need to be done here.

    Note that I'm not really disagreeing with you that the minimum wage is sub-optimal.

    That's exactly it. They are being denied the opportunity to take those jobs because those jobs are destroyed when employers are forced to pay more than the job is worth.
    I honestly can't think of many jobs that are not worth $7/hr.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Funny how the states in trouble are California, Michigan, New York.....

    Which way do those states lean? Hmmm.
    Please. Take a really conservative state, let's say, West Virginia. Their entire state economy is based on welfare, bailouts and federal money.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If a task isn't worth $7/hr, then it probably doesn't need to be done here.

    Note that I'm not really disagreeing with you that the minimum wage is sub-optimal.



    I honestly can't think of many jobs that are not worth $7/hr.
    Well, just because you can't think of many jobs that are not worth $7/hr doesn't mean two mutually consenting individuals (employer and employee) will agree with you, nor does it mean their ability to conduct business with one another needs to be confined by some arbitrary value judgment on the worth of labor as mandated by the government.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    A friend of mine was raised in Germany,he told me that by 9th or 10th grade the school had a good idea if you were going to make it in college.If not they sent you to a trade school,he is one of the best cabinet,furniture makers I've met.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    A friend of mine was raised in Germany,he told me that by 9th or 10th grade the school had a good idea if you were going to make it in college.If not they sent you to a trade school,he is one of the best cabinet,furniture makers I've met.
    There's a lot of value to trade school, but we demean it in this country.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Absolutely right. We should provide completely equal access to training.

    Privatize the schools, and let the parents come up with the cash. So long as they pay tuition, they have access.

    What can be more equal than that?
    No. Basing the schooling on money is not equal. It is not the children's fault that the parents can't afford a school, and so they shouldn't be handicapped because of it. We should improve our current school system, but privatizing schools is a bad idea. It should be left to the states with minimal national oversight.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Hell, no.

    They can dig the ditch first.
    Amen. If they aren't cut out for school they can find other training.
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