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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    I am not arguing that our particular wage rate is reasonable, I am arguing that Congress has the authority to pass a minimum wage law. It does qualify as for the general welfare, because at the time it was passed, nearly every industrial worker in the entire United States was being paid an unlivable wage. Now, this is not the case, but we also still have the minimum wage laws, so there is no way to know what would happen if they were repealed.
    Congress only has the power if it effects most everyone in a negative way.

    If it were repealed, some low skill jobs pay just minimum wage would be more flexible and the true equilibrium would be established.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    I would also tell you to spend a week as a janitor and see how "easy" it is. Then tell me if they don't deserve minimum wage
    They don't, I'm a factory worker and the janitors that work around us slowly stroll between the offices, bathrooms and break rooms taking their time and not breaking a sweat.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Sorry, the Constitution exists on line and I'm not your mother and I don't hold hands.

    Learn basic english, read the Constituiton, and the refutation of the nonsense you spew is right there.

    So long as you continue to read into the Constitution things it does not say, things it cannot logically mean, you'll continue to be wrong.
    Scarecrow, the Constitution can logically mean what I am saying. Perhaps you should site and explain the parts of the Constitution that prove me wrong, but that would involve you actually backing up your rabid right-wing responses so I will understand if you don't.

    Irony: Telling me to learn basic english and read the Constitution and then mispelling Constitution.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Congress only has the power if it effects most everyone in a negative way.
    That is my point. At the time, the problem of sub-livable wages affected almost all of working-class America, which at the time was a massive segment of the United States.

    If it were repealed, some low skill jobs pay just minimum wage would be more flexible and the true equilibrium would be established.
    If by true equilibrium, you mean that most employers would drop wages in a perfectly logical move to cut costs that could result in sub-livable wages then yes you would be correct.

    They don't, I'm a factory worker and the janitors that work around us slowly stroll between the offices, bathrooms and break rooms taking their time and not breaking a sweat.
    That is only one place. Think of a school janitor. There is no evidence to support your claim.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The job is worth what the lowest person is willing to work for it and the quality of work the employer is willing to accept.

    It's worth $3/hour to illegal immigrants. It may be worth $10/hour to legal workers.
    Invaders don't count. Employers of invaders have an artificial and illegal handle on their willingness to work.

    We're discussing legal employment.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    That is my point. At the time, the problem of sub-livable wages affected almost all of working-class America, which at the time was a massive segment of the United States.
    No.

    NO ONE was ever intended to live on the minimum wage. As was pointed out, it was a goonion scam.

    The problem now it that enormous amounts of money were spent educating children who refused to learn anything useful, and now they're whining about how they can't find a job to feed their family on and they worked so hard at learning nothing in school that it's just not fair that they can't use their vast knowledge of nothing to raise the family of twelve they've created without any help from the rest of us at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    If by true equilibrium, you mean that most employers would drop wages in a perfectly logical move to cut costs that could result in sub-livable wages then yes you would be correct.
    What's wrong with that?

    Employers do not owe employees "livable" wages. If a worker can't live on what he's earning, he needs to find a better job, cut his costs, learn more marketable skills, and otherwise control his own life. If an employer can pay someone to do a job cheaply, he should. If that job is so menial that it can't feed person, then that person shouldn't take that job.

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Good, this shouldve been the response to failing corporations. Why should the rest of the country pay for the failings of one state.

    Washington to California: Drop dead - Victoria McGrane - POLITICO.com
    No Money for California but Billions for Non Americans ok?

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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    NO ONE was ever intended to live on the minimum wage. As was pointed out, it was a goonion scam.

    The problem now it that enormous amounts of money were spent educating children who refused to learn anything useful, and now they're whining about how they can't find a job to feed their family on and they worked so hard at learning nothing in school that it's just not fair that they can't use their vast knowledge of nothing to raise the family of twelve they've created without any help from the rest of us at all.
    It was pointed out by YOU. That's not a reliable source.

    We are talking about minimum wage, not welfare. Minimum wage doesn't require the average person to help anyone.

    What's wrong with that?

    Employers do not owe employees "livable" wages. If a worker can't live on what he's earning, he needs to find a better job, cut his costs, learn more marketable skills, and otherwise control his own life. If an employer can pay someone to do a job cheaply, he should. If that job is so menial that it can't feed person, then that person shouldn't take that job.
    What's wrong with someone not be able to feed their families? Come on.

    Someone has to do those bottom level jobs, and they should be able to feed their family on it. I'm not saying they need $7.65 an hour to do that, I'm just saying they should be able to live on what they make.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Invaders don't count. Employers of invaders have an artificial and illegal handle on their willingness to work.

    We're discussing legal employment.
    What legal employment is paying or is worth $3/hour?
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What legal employment is paying or is worth $3/hour?
    Only the person willing to work for that is able to really answer the question.

    It's subjective.
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    Re: Washington to California: Drop dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What legal employment is paying or is worth $3/hour?
    Hello?

    We're discussing the real world, not the phony over-inflated minimum wage world.

    Picking strawberries, if the farmer can get someone to do the work for $3 an hour, is worth $3 an hour, for example.

    That's how worth is measured. You remove the artifical constraints and allow prices to rise or fall to the level the market commands.

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