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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I have to disagree. I just don't see the threat to society over someone who is a violent criminal.

    So you say this is supposed to send a message, I guess sentencing violent criminals a couple years sends the message violence and murder is more acceptable than stealing people's money. Because money is more important than lives.
    So a hacker breaks into a banks records and erases all of them, or turns off all the traffic lights in a city or injects a nasty virus into the governments computers. Are they not a threat to society too? Hey, they are nonviolent...

    And you won't get anywhere with me arguing that sentences for violent criminals are not harsh enough. I agree.

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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not justifying it, I'm saying his sentence is a bit excessive.

    To make a ruling based on emotion isn't justice.
    I do not think the ruling was made on emotion. It strikes me as being based on cold hard reality. Madoff's plea for leniency was an attempt at a ruling based on emotion.

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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So you don't mind your tax money going to non-violent life sentences over people who are actually threats to society?
    Not at all, to be frank. Why? Because we have been quite soft on white collar crime and based-on what has happened to the economy, it's time that these fraudulant, lying, and cheating bastards get what they deserve.

    For 25 years, my brother has worked for a high tech company that had cooked the books and gave themselves big-assed bonuses year-after-year. They are now in bankruptcy, and my brother, along with all of the other peeons, will not only lose his job, but also his pension. It does not feel good starting all over at 45, especially know that they ones that screwed you over are living high on the hog.
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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not justifying it, I'm saying his sentence is a bit excessive.

    To make a ruling based on emotion isn't justice.
    How is it based on emotion? I believe that was the maximum years for the number of crimes he had committed. He's applying the law to the facts, which allow for this. It would be one thing if the maximum sentence was 10 years, and he said, "No, I am sentencing you to 150 years."

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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    The judge said he wanted to send a message out there to anyone else who thinks they can pull this kind of crap. Sentences should be a deterrent to future behavior, I think.
    I agree they should as well, but the judge isn't supposed to send a message.
    The judge is to decide a sentence based on the crime.
    He defrauded people, which is bad, but 150 years is excessive.

    Madoff's assets will be seized, outside of his jail sentence people will be made somewhat whole.
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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So a hacker breaks into a banks records and erases all of them, or turns off all the traffic lights in a city or injects a nasty virus into the governments computers. Are they not a threat to society too? Hey, they are nonviolent...

    And you won't get anywhere with me arguing that sentences for violent criminals are not harsh enough. I agree.

    And that hacker isn't going to get slapped with a 150 year sentence, either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree they should as well, but the judge isn't supposed to send a message.
    The judge is to decide a sentence based on the crime.
    He defrauded people, which is bad, but 150 years is excessive.

    Madoff's assets will be seized, outside of his jail sentence people will be made somewhat whole.
    The judge isn't supposed to send a message? I can't imagine that is a correct statement.

    Nevertheless, I understand your opinion that it's excessive and your bases for the determination.

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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ummm, these people were millionaires.

    To invest in a hedge fund you have to have a minimum amount of money.
    If I remember correctly, it has to be several million dollars or you have to have an income of $500k a year.

    I'd generally call these people educated, well informed, possibly savvy.
    Wrong. Some were, but many were not.

    These "people" were hospitals, charities, universities, and ordinary working people's mutual funds.

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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not think the ruling was made on emotion. It strikes me as being based on cold hard reality. Madoff's plea for leniency was an attempt at a ruling based on emotion.
    His pleas should be ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    How is it based on emotion? I believe that was the maximum years for the number of crimes he had committed. He's applying the law to the facts, which allow for this. It would be one thing if the maximum sentence was 10 years, and he said, "No, I am sentencing you to 150 years."

    It seems to be a revenge sentence. Just my opinion.
    This kind of stuff strokes the wealth envy crowd's emotions.
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    Re: Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It seems to be a revenge sentence. Just my opinion.
    This kind of stuff strokes the wealth envy crowd's emotions.

    That's exactly what this was. This has, "we'll show you rich bastards!", written all over it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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