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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by Glücksritter View Post
    Sorry, but we are not to judge the action, the highest court in Honduras is, which stated it was unconstitutional. You can think whatever you wish, you can think that this is wrong, however you cannot ignore the independent judiciary and the parliament and claiming yourself to be democratically legitimated.
    Their analysis may be legally binding in some regards, but is not immune from independent review. As it were, what still amounts to an effectively anti-democratic removal likely remains illegal and is undoubtedly unethical.

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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

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    Then post sound evidence of election fraud on Chavez's part.
    Sure, no problem. In turn, post sound evidence supporting the legitimacy of Chavez's election. Thank you.

    And that election was so rigged in advance in favor of Chavez that the European Union (EU) refused to play an observer’s role, NewsMax reported at the time.


    "Unfortunately, it has not been possible to secure with the Venezuelan electoral authorities the conditions to carry out an observation in line with the Union’s standard methodology,” according to a Wall Street Journal report shortly after the election.

    Voting Machines Used in 'Rigged' Chavez Election

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    A statistical study done by two Venezuelan scientists, Maria M. Febres Cordero and Bernardo Marquez, has determined that Hugo Chavez alleged victory in the recall referendum of 2004 was unlikely. The reports concludes by saying "the Venezuelan opposition has statistical evidence to reject the official results given by the CNE. The irregularities detected were observed consistently in numerous voting centers and the magnitude of the irregularities imply that the official results do not reflect the intention of voters with statistical confidence."

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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Their analysis may be legally binding in some regards, but is not immune from independent review. As it were, what still amounts to an effectively anti-democratic removal likely remains illegal and is undoubtedly unethical.
    The Honduran congress obviously wasn't going to sit back and allow a dictator to take control of the government, on a technicality.
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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    The problem this poses, is the destabilization of the whole region. Ortega in Nicaragua is a leftist leader. If the military takes over the government, there will hordes of refugees fleeing into Guatemala and Nicaragua, to avoid the certain oppression of the people.

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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The problem this poses, is the destabilization of the whole region. Ortega in Nicaragua is a leftist leader. If the military takes over the government, there will hordes of refugees fleeing into Guatemala and Nicaragua, to avoid the certain oppression of the people.
    The military hasn't taken over the government. The Congress used the military as a tool to arrest the president who has been impeached. Probably not by the book, but obviously impeached. It's been determined by the legislative body in Honduras that this was a legal act. Kinda hard to argue with that.
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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sure, no problem. In turn, post sound evidence supporting the legitimacy of Chavez's election. Thank you.
    So the first thing you have for us are allegations from the openly biased NewsMax, themselves unsourced or documented by more independent and objective observers. I haven't seen your study that utilized cluster analysis before, so I'll have to research it more before I can comment on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Honduran congress obviously wasn't going to sit back and allow a dictator to take control of the government, on a technicality.
    There was no "government takeover" for you to refer to. Even if his agenda was implemented to the fullest extent, it merely involved alleviation of excessively restrictive term limits, which is not ethically unsound, whatever its disputed constitutional status.

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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    So the first thing you have for us are allegations from the openly biased NewsMax, themselves unsourced or documented by more independent and objective observers. I haven't seen your study that utilized cluster analysis before, so I'll have to research it more before I can comment on that.
    Anything supporting the legitimacy of Chavez's election?



    There was no "government takeover" for you to refer to. Even if his agenda was implemented to the fullest extent, it merely involved alleviation of excessively restrictive term limits, which is not ethically unsound, whatever its disputed constitutional status.
    When a president, who is booty buddies with more than one dictator in the region, attempts to illegally remove term limits, it's safe to consider that the beginning of a hostile/illegal takeover of the government. Obviously, that's what the Honduran Congress did.
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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anything supporting the legitimacy of Chavez's election?





    When a president, who is booty buddies with more than one dictator in the region, attempts to illegally remove term limits, it's safe to consider that the beginning of a hostile/illegal takeover of the government. Obviously, that's what the Honduran Congress did.
    If it is going down, as you say it has, then why are world leaders calling for Zelaya to be placed back as president?

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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Their analysis may be legally binding in some regards, but is not immune from independent review. As it were, what still amounts to an effectively anti-democratic removal likely remains illegal and is undoubtedly unethical.
    You can state that for yourself but your moral codices could differ from those of others, that is why we have laws. The removal may be legal, I do not know what actions the Hondurian constitution implements against such a way of undergoing the constitution.
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    Re: Claim: Leftist leader assassinated in Honduras

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If it is going down, as you say it has, then why are world leaders calling for Zelaya to be placed back as president?
    What world leaders? Chavez? Castro? I take their oppostion to this situation as a sign that the Honduran congress did the right thing.
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