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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ...that doesn't even make sense
    Try reading slower. There's only ten words.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

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    Then you have no problem with my statement. Since I would like to think as a white male, I make better decisions than a latino woman.,
    I dunno. I didn't mean to be a poopy head to you. Sorry.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    those who are insisting the pending appointee is racist because the sc, by the narrowist of margins, refused to uphold a ruling in which she relied on legal precedent, would seem to instead prefer a judge who legislates from the bench. sotomayer refused to do that

    the lower court rulings, the decisions upheld by sotomayer, hinged on adhering to the concept of "disparate impact"

    the sc has now moved us away from that standard, creating new precedent to be followed

    new haven did all of the right things
    it made sure it did not discriminate by hiring a specialist to construct the exams in a way which would not confer a preference on minorities
    but when it found that the test results still fell outside the "disparate impact" standards, new haven found that it could not (then) lawfully rely on the test results to effect the promotions. had it moved forward and done so, new haven would have been subject to a discrimination lawsuit by the minorities, who were not promoted because they did not score high enough on the tests to merit consideration. the concept of "disparate impact", however much the disparate impact could be found unintended, offered a (then) sound premise for a discrimination suit by the low scoring minority applicants, should the promotions been awarded to the high scoring majority applicants
    new haven was caught in a classic catch 22
    the law prevented the city from doing the right thing
    and the sc has now revised the presedent so that reason can now prevail over "disparate impact"
    in no way does that sc decision indicate that sotomayer was, or is, biased
    what this matter does show is that sotomayer subscribes to the law when making her decisions

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    St. Louis had the exact same situation last year. White firefighters scored higher than black firefighters did on the captain exam. The city went to great lengths to insure the test was fair to all. The black firefighters union went to court, but a federal judge ruled that the test was not biased. The Fire Chief was black and refused to promote the white firefighters that scored highest on the exam. Of course, both sides were unhappy.

    This logjam went on for six more months until the Mayor gave the chief an ultimatum to promote the firefighters that scored the highest on the test or else. The Chief refused, so the Mayor fired him.

    I moved shortly thereafter, but as far as I know, the issue was settled.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    St. Louis had the exact same situation last year. White firefighters scored higher than black firefighters did on the captain exam. The city went to great lengths to insure the test was fair to all. The black firefighters union went to court, but a federal judge ruled that the test was not biased. The Fire Chief was black and refused to promote the white firefighters that scored highest on the exam. Of course, both sides were unhappy.

    This logjam went on for six more months until the Mayor gave the chief an ultimatum to promote the firefighters that scored the highest on the test or else. The Chief refused, so the Mayor fired him.

    I moved shortly thereafter, but as far as I know, the issue was settled.



    The Reason I am could not join the NYPD is because I wasn't a woman or a black man when I passed the exam in the 98%, they only had to score 68% to get ahead of me.


    This was Dinkins.
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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The Reason I am could not join the NYPD is because I wasn't a woman or a black man when I passed the exam in the 98%, they only had to score 68% to get ahead of me.


    This was Dinkins.
    I don't think King's vision of a color blind society will ever come true.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I don't think King's vision of a color blind society will ever come true.




    Not with liberals acting like this, no, no it wont
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    That was a great post Justabubba!

    I have read it a couple of times and let me tell you where I stumble. In your entire comprehensive summary of the case, I am unable to find the "beginning of the string". I can find no indication that anyone had any responsibility at any time.

    The test designers have no responsibility. The test givers have no responsibility. The test takers have no responsibility. The city elders have no responsibility. Neither the trial nor appealate courts have any responsibility. It is not until you get to the Supreme Court that anyone takes any responsibility and all they say is: "You can't do it this way."

    Is this really the way the system is intended to work? And if the answer to that question is "Yes" then I ask is this the system to which we all choose to give our affirmative consent?

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    The Supreme Court has brought justice to New Haven. I will say that I do not understand how an exam can be disciminatory in the first place. In Louisville, for example, the test for the police department gives preferential points to women, blacks, and latinos up front so that they score better on teh exams. The city claims this is fair, but to me such practice is discriminatory in itself, as it assumes that these groups are not as intelligent as the white male, who must score all the points on his own.

    Sotomayor claimed that she was simply upholding the lower court as they had followed the law. I believe that she could have indeed prevented the Supreme Court from having to make the right decision, but many are on the affirmitive action bandwagon that has turned into reverse discrimination.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I hope they ask Sotomayor what she thinks about this reversal because I am curious how she reacts when she's reversed.

    No surprise about the 5-4 ruling with Kennedy being the swing vote.
    This is why there should be litmus test for allowing someone to be a judge. If they are going to ignore a discrimination because of the plaintiff's skin color then that judge is no better than some judge in the past who did the same thing because of skin color. Why do we allow these racist to be judges? I am so sick and tired of racial discrimination being called "revere discrimination", it is not reverse discrimination it is racial discrimination. Why the **** do a lot of people play along with the reverse discrimination label?
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