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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Supreme Court Firefighter: U.S. Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of New Haven Firefighters - Courant.com

    Employment experts said the high court's decision in Ricci v DeStefano likely would cause public and private employers to more carefully search for bias free means of measuring suitability for promotion.
    Ok, seriously, how can a promotion exam be biased? The only way it is biased is if it asks your race. HOW ARE TESTS BIASED TO ONE RACE OR ANOTHER!!!!! It is driving me crazy.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So are you saying that 4 of the current Supreme Court Justices are unquestionably racist simply because of their decision on this?
    Why is that such a far-fetched assessment? Is it really so hard to believe that "progressivism" is actually racism, even if they don't know it themselves?

    The biggest thing Orwell warned against in 1984 was the utter distortion of language. That is what these PC thugs have done. They've taken racist ideology and changed its name into "progressivism" or "affirmative action". The Orwellian contortions these people use to justify what is OBVIOIUSLY racism is stunning to me.

    Common sense no longer prevails in our society. We cannot bring ourselves to call a spade a spade anymore because it isn't pleasant or civil. PC language is destroying intellectual honesty in this country.

    When a white man cannot get promoted simply because black men couldn't do as well on a test as him THAT IS RACIST, anyway you slice it, it is racist.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why is that such a far-fetched assessment? Is it really so hard to believe that "progressivism" is actually racism, even if they don't know it themselves?

    The biggest thing Orwell warned against in 1984 was the utter distortion of language. That is what these PC thugs have done. They've taken racist ideology and changed its name into "progressivism" or "affirmative action". The Orwellian contortions these people use to justify what is OBVIOIUSLY racism is stunning to me.

    Common sense no longer prevails in our society. We cannot bring ourselves to call a spade a spade anymore because it isn't pleasant or civil. PC language is destroying intellectual honesty in this country.

    When a white man cannot get promoted simply because black men couldn't do as well on a test as him THAT IS RACIST, anyway you slice it, it is racist.
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    Spades are black!

    You sir must be RACIST!

    RACIST RACIST RACIST! *jumps up and down pointing a finger*
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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Ok, seriously, how can a promotion exam be biased? The only way it is biased is if it asks your race. HOW ARE TESTS BIASED TO ONE RACE OR ANOTHER!!!!! It is driving me crazy.
    "It's societies fault", is what we would hear as an answer to that one.
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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Read it, I am not doing your homework for you. Besides, I am not a lawyer, so I am at least willing to admit I don't know enough to fully follow. What I am not doing is shooting my mouth off looking foolish.
    What you are doing is speculating that the four justices didn't support racial discrimination while everyone else is using common sense and logic to figure out that since it is a racial discrimination case they ruled then apparently logic would dictate those four support racial discrimination.
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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What you are doing is speculating that the four justices didn't support racial discrimination while everyone else is using common sense and logic to figure out that since it is a racial discrimination case they ruled then apparently logic would dictate those four support racial discrimination.
    Here, I found this nice summary of the court ruling: Analysis: Ricci, without the rhetoric | SCOTUSblog

    When applied in a case involving a job test that seems to favor whites over minorities, this standard will require the employer to accept the results and implement them unless it can offer “objective” and “strong” evidence that the test was illegal because it was skewed to work against minorities, and unless it can offer “objective” and “strong” evidence that implementing the results will almost certainly bring on a lawsuit by minorities and that is probably would lose that lawsuit.
    This is I think the key portion. The reason the city threw out the results is because they felt they could be sued if they implemented the results. SCOTUS is saying that they cannot throw out the results unless they think they would lose the suit.

    The new standards the Court has imported into the Title VII legal equation are not really specific or well-defined, so it very likely will take future lawsuits to sort out just what the new requirements mean.
    Oh my god, activist judges!

    In practical terms, it is very likely that employers will have to go to greater lengths to assure that testing protocols are race neutral, and will have to have sounder legal advice about the risks they take under Title VII if they apply test results that have a negative impact on minority workers.

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    If Sotomayer is as fair as she is ugly we have nothing to worry about cuz man dat gurl be u-u-u-ugly.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here, I found this nice summary of the court ruling: Analysis: Ricci, without the rhetoric | SCOTUSblog



    This is I think the key portion. The reason the city threw out the results is because they felt they could be sued if they implemented the results. SCOTUS is saying that they cannot throw out the results unless they think they would lose the suit.



    Oh my god, activist judges!
    Thats the problem I have though. Promotion and hiring standards should not be race based. Period. Race should play no factor in determining who gets a promotion and who does not. It should all be merit based.
    Period.
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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why is that such a far-fetched assessment? Is it really so hard to believe that "progressivism" is actually racism, even if they don't know it themselves?

    The biggest thing Orwell warned against in 1984 was the utter distortion of language. That is what these PC thugs have done. They've taken racist ideology and changed its name into "progressivism" or "affirmative action". The Orwellian contortions these people use to justify what is OBVIOIUSLY racism is stunning to me.

    Common sense no longer prevails in our society. We cannot bring ourselves to call a spade a spade anymore because it isn't pleasant or civil. PC language is destroying intellectual honesty in this country.

    When a white man cannot get promoted simply because black men couldn't do as well on a test as him THAT IS RACIST, anyway you slice it, it is racist.
    2+2=4

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    Re: Justices Rule for White Firefighters in Bias Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Thats the problem I have though. Promotion and hiring standards should not be race based. Period. Race should play no factor in determining who gets a promotion and who does not. It should all be merit based.
    Period.
    That is actually the goal as I understand it. What the law tries to prevent, and that caused all this, is that due to cultural differences, blacks do better on some types of tests, less well on others. The idea is to create race neutral tests. The city was worried that the results where an indication that the test was not race neutral.

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