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    Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    June 26 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Senate proposal to impose taxes for the first time on “gold-plated” health plans may bypass generous employee benefits negotiated by unions.

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, the chief congressional advocate of taxing some employer-provided benefits to help pay for an overhaul of the U.S. health system, says any change should exempt perks secured in existing collective- bargaining agreements, which can be in place for as long as five years.
    Unions? Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    Democrats as Union tools? Who'd of thunk it??

    Baucus, a Montana Democrat, is proposing to tax Americans whose health insurance is valued at a higher rate than what is offered to federal employees. About 40 percent of insured Americans have costlier benefits, and Baucus has said he is trying to set the level at which taxes would be imposed high enough so fewer people are affected.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Unions? Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    Democrats as Union tools? Who'd of thunk it??



    Oh look, More punishment for those evil rich folks!
    If the Dems actually do this, it will be absolutely inexcusable.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Nowhere in the article does it say that the exemptions are anything but a possible idea by one guy. Let's no go overreacting to things.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nowhere in the article does it say that the exemptions are anything but a possible idea by one guy. Let's no go overreacting to things.
    If that one guy is Max Baucus, I think it's pretty important.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If that one guy is Max Baucus, I think it's pretty important.
    I would not even go that far. Let's see what gets out of committee, or ore importantly, what passes.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would not even go that far. Let's see what gets out of committee, or ore importantly, what passes.
    What passes, once it passes, is a done deal. Complaints then will be too late.

    The time to stop a bad idea like taxing everyone but unions on health benefits is when it is just an idea.

    The time to stop this bad idea is NOW.

    Wait + see == dead more often than not.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    What passes, once it passes, is a done deal. Complaints then will be too late.

    The time to stop a bad idea like taxing everyone but unions on health benefits is when it is just an idea.

    The time to stop this bad idea is NOW.

    Wait + see == dead more often than not.
    Neither you nor I is going to stop anything. Further, note that this is not "taxing everyone but unions", this is grandfathering existing contracts, which are max five years, and according to a quote in the article, normal operating procedure.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Neither you nor I is going to stop anything. Further, note that this is not "taxing everyone but unions", this is grandfathering existing contracts, which are max five years, and according to a quote in the article, normal operating procedure.
    The two people who claimed it's normal operating procedure are an AFL-CIO lobbyist and an SEIU official. If they mouth movin', they lyin'.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The two people who claimed it's normal operating procedure are an AFL-CIO lobbyist and an SEIU official. If they mouth movin', they lyin'.
    It could be, I doubt I would have any luck finding out one way or the other. I am however, as I said, waiting to see what comes out of committee.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Neither you nor I is going to stop anything. Further, note that this is not "taxing everyone but unions", this is grandfathering existing contracts, which are max five years, and according to a quote in the article, normal operating procedure.
    If you don't write/call/email your congressman and Senator daily, no, you won't.

    If you don't speak out, no you won't.

    But just because you won't, don't assume no one else will--or that no one else can.

    And it matters not how the union apologists dress up the language. It is "taxing everyone but unions." Grandfathering is BS in this case--what about non-union employees with existing health plans through their employers. Should they not also be grandfathered?

    Of course, grandfathering all health plans would pretty much kill the idea--so of course the fair and equitable solution is to just grandfather the unions.

    No, the fair and equitable solution is to kill this turkey of an idea NOW. While it is still just an idea.

    Or perhaps you want everyone but unions to be taxed on their health insurance? Perhaps you think it is a good idea?

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