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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    I heard on the radio this morning that the Congress impeached him by a unanimous vote. He wouldn't leave so they removed him.
    That's not correct. Do you have a more reliable source?

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That's not correct. Do you have a more reliable source?
    You are correct.

    Prior to the coup, the Congress was moving toward impeaching President Zelaya. However, it had not impeached the Honduran President when the military moved to remove him. After the coup, the Congress "ratified" his removal.

    Zelaya Seeks UN Help to Regain Presidency in Honduras (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    That does not change the nature of the situation, namely that a coup took place at a time when the President had not been constitutionally removed from office. Had the Congress impeached the President and then the military had enforced the impeachment order, then the situation would not have amounted to a coup. But that's not what happened.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Doesn't Honduras have a line of succession? The United States does. I imagine that if it is a senator or congressman removed we would simply just hold another election to fill that seat or in some states allow the governor to appoint someone to that seat.
    According to NYT, the president of the Senate has stepped in as interim president. So possibly this is a little better than your classic Banana Republic coup.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    You are correct.

    Prior to the coup, the Congress was moving toward impeaching President Zelaya. However, it had not impeached the Honduran President when the military moved to remove him. After the coup, the Congress "ratified" his removal.

    Zelaya Seeks UN Help to Regain Presidency in Honduras (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    That does not change the nature of the situation, namely that a coup took place at a time when the President had not been constitutionally removed from office. Had the Congress impeached the President and then the military had enforced the impeachment order, then the situation would not have amounted to a coup. But that's not what happened.
    I suppose their military must be under a different type of control than ours.
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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Whats with the new trend in relatively bloodless and at least tacitcly supported coups where the military step aside? This the the second one recently (if it plays out like that)...

    This is all very civil and gentlemanly... strange.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmrabe View Post
    Whats with the new trend in relatively bloodless and at least tacitcly supported coups where the military step aside? This the the second one recently (if it plays out like that)...

    This is all very civil and gentlemanly... strange.
    Indeed. Why, it almost resembles the rule of law when a sitting Executive violates his sworn duties under a national constitution.

    Honduras was not a coup. It was the rule of law.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Indeed. Why, it almost resembles the rule of law when a sitting Executive violates his sworn duties under a national constitution.

    Honduras was not a coup. It was the rule of law.
    Well I have to agree that this is TECHNICALLY a coup... but its really not in the spirit of what it means to have a coup d'etat...

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmrabe View Post
    Whats with the new trend in relatively bloodless and at least tacitcly supported coups where the military step aside? This the the second one recently (if it plays out like that)...

    This is all very civil and gentlemanly... strange.
    Only if the military steps aside. We shall see.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Indeed. Why, it almost resembles the rule of law when a sitting Executive violates his sworn duties under a national constitution.

    Honduras was not a coup. It was the rule of law.
    Well celtic, I think don may have made a good point, but I agree that it didn't look like the usual coupe since the congress was going to get rid of him anyway. I suppose their after-action was a formality to give legitimacy to the military action. I wouldn't want this to become a precedent though.
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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    You are correct.

    Prior to the coup, the Congress was moving toward impeaching President Zelaya. However, it had not impeached the Honduran President when the military moved to remove him. After the coup, the Congress "ratified" his removal.

    Zelaya Seeks UN Help to Regain Presidency in Honduras (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    That does not change the nature of the situation, namely that a coup took place at a time when the President had not been constitutionally removed from office. Had the Congress impeached the President and then the military had enforced the impeachment order, then the situation would not have amounted to a coup. But that's not what happened.
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