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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Zelaya totally ignored the rulings of the supreme court. Obviously, he didn't intend on playing byt the rules and agree to go peaceably. If he got away with ignoring the supreme court decision prohibiting the abolition of term limits, it's safe to say he would have used his new dictatorial powers to suspend elections this fall.
    No, it isn't. Aside from the obviously fallacious nature of the insinuation that there were no other means of responding to his attempt to organize a referendum than through forcible and violent removal, I wouldn't necessarily consider an attempt to organize an effective poll of the electorate an indication of an intent to suspend democratic governance.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So does the president ignoring the rulings of the supreme court and the congress. The Honduran congress were upholding the rule of law.
    At the time of the coup, the Congress had not impeached the President. Instead, Bloomberg.com reports, the Congress was "moving toward impeachment proceedings." Had the Congress actually impeached the President and then the military removed him on account of his refusing to leave office, there would be no constitutional issues. Unfortunately, that is not what happened.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    At the time of the coup, the Congress had not impeached the President. Instead, Bloomberg.com reports, the Congress was "moving toward impeachment proceedings." Had the Congress actually impeached the President and then the military removed him on account of his refusing to leave office, there would be no constitutional issues. Unfortunately, that is not what happened.
    They were stopping trouble, before it happened. I don't think it's a far stretch to suggest that Zelaya would have mobilized his own forces in response to an official impeachment.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    No, you continue to ignore that critical point in favor of ideological dogma. Even if there was dispute about the constitutionality of something so trivial as a nonbinding referendum, there exists neither legal nor ethical justification for the forcible removal and deportation of a democratically elected head of state, since, as was previously mentioned, there wasn't even an apparent constitutional means to remove him peaceably.
    I heard on the radio this morning that the Congress impeached him by a unanimous vote. He wouldn't leave so they removed him.
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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    The whole story is in today's Wall Street Journal. Zelaya's actions most certainly merited his removal by force.

    O'Grady: Honduras Defends Its Democracy - WSJ.com

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    The Honduran Congress's response to the situation is looking more and more justified all the time.

    From the article: But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

    The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused.

    Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court's order.
    Arresting a rogue president who leads a mob and breaks into the facility where balloting materials are kept, to hold an illegal election isn't a coup. It's the prevention of a coup.

    I think it says a helluva lot when our government sides with the likes of Castro, Ortega and Chavez.
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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    From what I understand the Honduras constitution was written by the military junta before they handed over power to civilian goverement around 20 years ago. So it's obvius that they and the political and economic elite that benefited from the constitution doesn't want it change. But maybe it can be intersting to see what the people believe about the constitution even if it's against the constution, ecpecially sens the people had no part in writing it.

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Honduras President Manuel Zelaya Deposed 'And Exiled To Venezuela' Before Consitutional Referendum | World News | Sky News

    This looks as though it could turn nasty lets hope this situation doesnt bring about another Pinochet
    Politician who tried to commit treason tossed out of office by the military. Sounds like a good thing. If only something similar would happen to those who in office who tried to sell this country out.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Politician who tried to commit treason tossed out of office by the military. Sounds like a good thing. If only something similar would happen to those who in office who tried to sell this country out.
    You would prefer military rule to living under Obama?

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    Re: Honduran President Manuel Zelaya Is Deposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    From what I understand the Honduras constitution was written by the military junta before they handed over power to civilian goverement around 20 years ago. So it's obvius that they and the political and economic elite that benefited from the constitution doesn't want it change. But maybe it can be intersting to see what the people believe about the constitution even if it's against the constution, ecpecially sens the people had no part in writing it.
    And whats really telling is that there are not even following the consitution they claim to defend. The consitutional thing to do would be to impeach him.

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