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Iran accuses CIA of killing protestor Neda

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Iran accuses CIA of killing protestor Neda
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 06.28.09

WASHINGTON - Iran is accusing the United States of being behind the killing of Neda Agha-Soltan, the 26-year-old Iranian woman whose fatal videotaped shooting made her a symbol of opposition to the disputed June 12 presidential election results. Iranian Ambassador to Mexico Mohammad Hassan Ghadiri made this accusation on Saturday night in an interview to the CNN television network. He denied that the young woman was killed by Iranian security forces and suggested that the CIA or another intelligence service may have been responsible.

Ghadiri said that the bullet found in Neda's head was not of a type used in Iran. "These are the methods that terrorists, the CIA and spy agencies employ," he said. "Naturally, they would like to see blood spilled in these demonstrations, so that they can use it against the Islamic Republic of Iran. This is of the common methods that the CIA employs in various countries." The Iranian ambassador said there were many elements in the investigation into the young woman's death which pointed to suspicions of American involvement.

"This death of Neda is very suspicious," Ghadiri said. "She was shot from behind. The location was where there was not much demonstration, there was no police presence and the gun that shot and killed her was a smuggled gun. It was not a government-issued gun… In our view, this would be the work of those who wanted to put more fuel to the flame against the government. "My question is, how is it that this Miss Neda is shot from behind, got shot in front of several cameras, and is shot in an area where no significant demonstration was behind held… Well, if the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the government elements, then choosing women is an appropriate choice, because the death of a woman draws more sympathy," Ghadiri said.
Source: Israel News

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Neda Agha-Soltan, 27
Shot to death in Tehran by the Basij
"It burned me" were her last words

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btw: A haunting new movie - The Stoning of Soraya M. - is being released this weekend in cities across the United States. It tells the story of an Iranian woman who was brutalized by her husband, accused of adultry, and stoned to death. If you see this film... be prepared to be disturbed. In the approximately 20 minutes during which the graphic execution unfolds, the camera repeatedly returns to study the battered face and body of Soraya as she is stoned to death. Buried up to her waist in a hole dug for the occasion, she is pelted with rocks and profanity by the male villagers including her father, husband, and two sons, until she dies. In one of the disturbing scenes, Ali examines his wife’s crumpled blood-drenched body to make sure she is dead and discovers signs of life in a rolled-up eye. The stoning is promptly resumed. The film is a cinematic adaption of the 1994 best seller "The Stoning of Soraya M. - A True Story" by Paris based Iranian journalist Freidoune Sahebjam. I warn you in advance, this film is brutally extreme and powerful. Rated R.

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I did hear that she was shot by a plainclothesman, which led some to immediately conclude that he was a member of the Basij militia, along with the fact that there were allegations that he was briefly captured. However, I'd also been under the impression that it had been relatively conclusively determined that she was shot in the chest. I wouldn't be very surprised if the CIA was responsible, as they've been complicit in anti-democratic actions in Iran in the past, of course (Operation Ajax), and other agencies in the upper spheres of government have been willing to engage in false-flag operations in the past (Operation Northwoods), but I doubt that there's any CIA involvement in the turmoil in Iran at the moment, though they're undoubtedly hoping to exploit it.
 
I think that if the CIA were so capable that they could turn someone into an internet martyr, we would NOT have the international relation problems we have today.
If the CIA did it, which I seriously doubt, they should have the awe and respect of persons the world over for their amazing ability to read the waves of the global populace.

I suspect blind luck led poor Neda to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Though the nature of conspiracy theories of this nature is that the pre-fooled will believe most anything no matter how shaky or improbable.
 
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Does this ridiculous claim surprise anyone? This and more is to be expected from an Nation that has run a muck with religious extremism at it core and brainless leadership at the helm. When the Shah was running the country some repression was reality but nothing compared to what is under way today. The people of Iran I believe no longer want to be ruled by people who are bent on self destruction in the misguided belief they will some how be welcomed into the great beyond by a bevy of virgins. Now I don't mean to be sounding anti Islamic but come on these old guys are a bunch of perverts who can't find the love of a real woman here on earth because real women see them as the religious nuts they are and rightfully run like hell whe ever one of the old pervs gets close.
 
The protesters know who killed Neda. They have his identity cards. It was a basij on a motorbike. He basically admitted it when he shouted "I didn't want to kill her!."

Other eye witnesses say the shots came from the rooftops. That was the initial report. But, I believe the Dr. and what he saw. His life is now in danger and he won't be going back to Iran. He said that in the video as he said the protesters had the basiji's ID cards. You could see him visibly afraid as he said the basiji shouted "I didn't want to kill her!"

Here's the interview with the Dr. who tried to help Neda.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...r-who-tried-save-her-life.html#post1058105719

The report that it was the CIA, came out a few days later to try to difuse the impact Neda had. She became a rallying cry for the protesters within Iran as well as around the world. Iran is trying to turn anything that happens into either a British "plot" or a US "plot" to bolster their claims that it's not the demonstraters within their own country. "It's those devil's of the west misleading and lying to their people who are behind this."

The hundreds of protesters in custody are being tortured until they "confess" to being pawns of the US or UK and being taped. These "confessions" are being aired on the Iranian gov'ts TV.
 
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Don't they get bored from that 'blame the West' game?
What next?
Khomeini and Ahmadinjihad coming up with a speech and blaming the West for rigging the elections? :roll:
 
Tashah,

It is no surprise that Iran is playing the anti-U.S./anti-foreigner card. Iran's illegitimate regime is desperate to portray the protests and yearnings behind the protests as a foreign-inspired effort to destabilize a corrupt regime that has presided over increasing stagnation in living standards, among other failures. Iran's seizure of Iranians who are employed by the British Embassy is another front in the regime's disinformation efforts.

Fortunately, the international community saw events unfold as they did in Iran. Aside from a few staunch Iranian allies i.e., Syria and Venezuela, it is unlikely that Iran's propaganda effort will stick. Ordinary Iranians also are not likely to be persuaded by a repressive regime that has all but stripped them of their voice.
 
If you look at the pic of Neda in the OP, she is wearing a necklace with what appears to be a cross. Hard to tell. An Iranian Christian?
 
I can tell you with about a 99.5% that the CIA doesn't have any Wet Operations going on in Iran if so they wouldn't have target Neda.
 
I think that if the CIA were so capable that they could turn someone into an internet martyr, we would NOT have the international relation problems we have today.
If the CIA did it, which I seriously doubt, they should have the awe and respect of persons the world over for their amazing ability to read the waves of the global populace.

I suspect blind luck led poor Neda to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Though the nature of conspiracy theories of this nature is that the pre-fooled will believe most anything no matter how shaky or improbable.

Ever hear of a think tank?
 
I would think it would be unwise to rule out false flaggers. Why would your own plains clothes operative shoot an innocent woman just to fuel fire against them? But then again maybe it was some pissed off radical who was just mad that she was even there.

But, we know CIA and Mossad are already there so to rule out the possibility of predetermined assassination for the sake of creating choas would be foolish. But it sorta requires a bit of proof.


Keith Thomson: The Mossad's Plan to Stop Iran
I asked my source: What's being done to thwart Iran?

Answer: Penetration of the Iranian nuclear apparatus at the highest levels. The basic precepts are as old as Sun-Tzu. The CIA is trying. The Mossad is more successful.

Q: Does the Mossad use its own operatives or foreign agents?

A: Agents -- Iranian nationals who work in Iran in a capacity that enables them to travel around the country at will.

Q: How does the Mossad recruit Iranian agents?

A: The recruitment of an Iranian source by a Mossad officer admitting to be Israeli is very, very difficult. The best method is using a false flag -- going by a different nationality. Perhaps you use a Persian-looking guy who is fluent in Farsi to pose as an Iranian. Or your officer poses as an officer of one of the intelligence services with whom Iran has good relationships, like the French. Or maybe you recruit an actual Frenchman to serve as your principal agent, and he in turn recruits the Iranian. The question is: What is your Iranian traveling-salesman type receptive to?
 
I would think it would be unwise to rule out false flaggers. Why would your own plains clothes operative shoot an innocent woman just to fuel fire against them? But then again maybe it was some pissed off radical who was just mad that she was even there.

But, we know CIA and Mossad are already there so to rule out the possibility of predetermined assassination for the sake of creating choas would be foolish. But it sorta requires a bit of proof.


Keith Thomson: The Mossad's Plan to Stop Iran

The CIA doesn't have any operation in Iran at all that I can tell you as a fact.
 
Source: Israel News

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Neda Agha-Soltan, 27
Shot to death in Tehran by the Basij
"It burned me" were her last words

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btw: A haunting new movie - The Stoning of Soraya M. - is being released this weekend in cities across the United States. It tells the story of an Iranian woman who was brutalized by her husband, accused of adultry, and stoned to death. If you see this film... be prepared to be disturbed. In the approximately 20 minutes during which the graphic execution unfolds, the camera repeatedly returns to study the battered face and body of Soraya as she is stoned to death. Buried up to her waist in a hole dug for the occasion, she is pelted with rocks and profanity by the male villagers including her father, husband, and two sons, until she dies. In one of the disturbing scenes, Ali examines his wife’s crumpled blood-drenched body to make sure she is dead and discovers signs of life in a rolled-up eye. The stoning is promptly resumed. The film is a cinematic adaption of the 1994 best seller "The Stoning of Soraya M. - A True Story" by Paris based Iranian journalist Freidoune Sahebjam. I warn you in advance, this film is brutally extreme and powerful. Rated R.

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I will go to see this movie next weekend.

The ambassadors acusations are ridiculas. Surely the iranian people can see through this.

Also today Iran has arrested 8 British Embassy staff members. The Fars news agency said the eight staff members were arrested for having a "considerable role" in the riots.

Looks like Iran is attempting to sway public opinion of the the military dictatorship by blaming the west.
 
I would think it would be unwise to rule out false flaggers. Why would your own plains clothes operative shoot an innocent woman just to fuel fire against them? But then again maybe it was some pissed off radical who was just mad that she was even there.

But, we know CIA and Mossad are already there so to rule out the possibility of predetermined assassination for the sake of creating choas would be foolish. But it sorta requires a bit of proof.


Keith Thomson: The Mossad's Plan to Stop Iran



Of course it was the great satan behind the death of Neda. We all know that America is to blame for everything evil that happens in the world.:roll:
 
Why refer to "America"? That implies homogenous opinion and will regarding the events in Iran among all Americans as an element of national identity. The reality is that the CIA is a government agency with a role in many situations that doesn't reflect the will of most Americans.
 
Why refer to "America"? That implies homogenous opinion and will regarding the events in Iran among all Americans as an element of national identity. The reality is that the CIA is a government agency with a role in many situations that doesn't reflect the will of most Americans.
Whatcha talkin' about.
CIA is a government ruled agency, the American government represent the American people.
Hence, the CIA represents the American people.
 
Whatcha talkin' about.
CIA is a government ruled agency, the American government represent the American people.
Hence, the CIA represents the American people.

No it represents those that tell the CIA what to do. And that surely isn't all of the American people.
 
No it represents those that tell the CIA what to do. And that surely isn't all of the American people.
Now you're just trying to avoid one of Democracy's lone disadvantages.
The government in a Democracy, whether if some people agree with it or not, represents the people.
That way, the people rule the nation, which is Democracy's aim.
 
Why refer to "America"? That implies homogenous opinion and will regarding the events in Iran among all Americans as an element of national identity. The reality is that the CIA is a government agency with a role in many situations that doesn't reflect the will of most Americans.

Do you not realize Irans leaders are in damage control mode. They are attempting to blame the west for their tyranny. Do you honestly believe that the CIA killed Neda? Or is it your modus operandi to blame the United States for everything wrong with the world?
 
Whatcha talkin' about.
CIA is a government ruled agency, the American government represent the American people.
Hence, the CIA represents the American people.

It's fallacious to assume that matters are so straightforward. That might work if I were a republican or favored representative democracy. I'm not. Being a proponent of participatory direct democracy myself, I'm aware of the isolation from actual control that the citizenry suffers, and the apathy towards politics that delegation of all power to distant "representatives" subject only to periodic election breeds. I can also recognize that the very nature of the CIA involves extremely limited popular control over their functions and activities, if any. For example, I don't believe that there would have been popular support for the numerous anti-democratic regime changes that the CIA leadership has sponsored.

Do you not realize Irans leaders are in damage control mode. They are attempting to blame the west for their tyranny. Do you honestly believe that the CIA killed Neda? Or is it your modus operandi to blame the United States for everything wrong with the world?

What did I just tell you? It's crude and obfuscatory to claim that "America" or "the U.S." is responsible for any specific action or policy because those specific actions and policies are determined by various elements of the American government. I already stated that I don't believe there was CIA involvement in the current events in Iran (though individuals within the agency are undoubtedly hoping to exploit what's occurred), but it's also similarly fallacious to simply refer to "Iran's leaders" as though they were one homogenous block with "one will, one resolve, one cause," when it's in fact the case that there are numerous elements and interest groups within the current leadership with various motives.
 
It's fallacious to assume that matters are so straightforward.
It's fallacious to assume that I was assuming anything.
I was speaking of an existing fact, nothing more and nothing less.
You can't fight a fact.
That might work if I were a republican or favored representative democracy. I'm not. Being a proponent of participatory direct democracy myself, I'm aware of the isolation from actual control that the citizenry suffers, and the apathy towards politics that delegation of all power to distant "representatives" subject only to periodic election breeds. I can also recognize that the very nature of the CIA involves extremely limited popular control over their functions and activities, if any. For example, I don't believe that there would have been popular support for the numerous anti-democratic regime changes that the CIA leadership has sponsored.
Your rejection of the elected government doesn't matter and is irrelevant.
Your rejection of the government doesn't deny its representation of the People as a whole.
The people in a democratic nation are represented by the elected government, and this is where this argument ends.
 
Your rejection of the elected government doesn't matter and is irrelevant.
Your rejection of the government doesn't deny its representation of the People as a whole.
The people in a democratic nation are represented by the elected government, and this is where this argument ends.

Yeah...not so much. Your baseless assertions are useless without supporting arguments. The fact that the concealed activities of intelligence agencies are not subject to popular control or democratic management is a reality, and the reason that previous government agencies thought it necessary to plan false-flag operations to deceive the American public.
 
I can tell you with about a 99.5% that the CIA doesn't have any Wet Operations going on in Iran if so they wouldn't have target Neda.

How could you possibly know this?
 
I did hear that she was shot by a plainclothesman, which led some to immediately conclude that he was a member of the Basij militia, along with the fact that there were allegations that he was briefly captured. However, I'd also been under the impression that it had been relatively conclusively determined that she was shot in the chest. I wouldn't be very surprised if the CIA was responsible, as they've been complicit in anti-democratic actions in Iran in the past, of course (Operation Ajax), and other agencies in the upper spheres of government have been willing to engage in false-flag operations in the past (Operation Northwoods), but I doubt that there's any CIA involvement in the turmoil in Iran at the moment, though they're undoubtedly hoping to exploit it.

Are you actually serious that you would even think that the CIA would kill some ininocent young woman !! I don't even think that a rouge CIA operative would be dumb enough to concoct such a plot. I am seathing at the thought that anyone would even think that much less write something like.

For God sakes man we are Americans not some Russian, Chinese or North Korean Communist savages !!! The CIA may have knocked over a few dictaors or countries but for God'S SAKE NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER AN INNOCENT young woman.

Give me a break !!!
 
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