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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    With whom in Afghanistan is the United States at war, if not the government in Kabul?
    If we are no longer at war and the Government is recognised by Afghans as legitimate and chosen by them and not imposed on them by the West.

    Why was British soldiers recentley killed? They can't have shot themselves you know. They are at war with someone in Afghanistan if our soldiers are still kept in that hell hole.


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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Not really.
    I think everyone have the same rights.
    There's your problem. There's absolutely no basis for this conclusion other than your own off-the-cuff moral determination.

    If US doesn't afford its prisoners some form of rights, i assume that gives acceptance to the fact Afghanistan and any other country can take American soldiers, torture and hold them indefinetley on charges that may be false and made up but we won't know because there is no trial. Rather the power to decide lies upon the state to be judge, jury and possibly executioner.
    Read up on the difference between lawful and unlawful enemy combatants and then take a peek at the Geneva convention.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why was British soldiers recentley killed? They can't have shot themselves you know. They are at war with someone in Afghanistan if our soldiers are still kept in that hell hole.
    Indeed. So who was shooting at your nation's soldiers? We agree it was not the Afghan government. You state we are at war in Afghanistan. Whom do you see as the enemy in that war?

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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Indeed. So who was shooting at your nation's soldiers? We agree it was not the Afghan government. You state we are at war in Afghanistan. Whom do you see as the enemy in that war?
    Afghans clearly, Taliban, extremists, pissed off people.

    Just because a Government is installed doesn't mean all of its citizens approve of foreign soldiers on their land.


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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There's your problem. There's absolutely no basis for this conclusion other than your own off-the-cuff moral determination.
    Perhaps i am wrong and maybe i am alone in thinking a country which bangs on about democracy and rights should practice what it preaches.
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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Indeed. So who was shooting at your nation's soldiers? We agree it was not the Afghan government. You state we are at war in Afghanistan. Whom do you see as the enemy in that war?
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Afghans clearly, Taliban, extremists, pissed off people.

    Just because a Government is installed doesn't mean all of its citizens approve of foreign soldiers on their land.
    Indeed.

    If detaining Afghans shooting at British soldiers indefinitely is permissible, on what grounds do you reject such detention at Guantanamo Bay?

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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Perhaps i am wrong and maybe i am alone in thinking a country which bangs on about democracy and rights should practice what it preaches.
    The US preaches that all people have the same legal rights? Link?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Perhaps i am wrong and maybe i am alone in thinking a country which bangs on about democracy and rights should practice what it preaches.
    Link please come on Laila your starting to sound like very other Arab I've meet thru out the Middle East give it a rest.

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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Perhaps i am wrong and maybe i am alone in thinking a country which bangs on about democracy and rights should practice what it preaches.
    We do practice what we preach. We have a criminal justice system that applies to American citizens and we have a military justice system that applies to enemy combatants and detainees.

    You should not expect a military justice system to mirror a criminal justice system (otherwise it wouldn't even be a military justice system, it would be a simple extension of the criminal justice system), nor should you expect an enemy combatant to receive the same substantive legal rights as an American citizen. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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    Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

    Why is it a surprise that Amateur in Chief Obama is doing this? Could it be because he complained about detainees not having trials, adequate legal representation, and how they need to be treated like any one else accused of any crime and fall under the protections of our Constitution, and now it has dawned on you that he was possibly not being honest when he said these things?
    Well welcome to the reality that many of us have known from the outset when the Granola Liberal Obama disciples with their glassy eyed were blindly falling for his speeches as if they were listening to sermons being delivered by their savior.
    What people had better wake up to is that under this Dictator in Chief he can use the Patriot Act II the same treatment being used on these detainees can be used on anyone in this country at any time on a whim.
    For example a provision in the Act says: If you are a reporter and you wetness and arrest of certain people and report on that arrest you too are now subject to arrest and can be held indefinitely without council or notification of your family all under the national security umbrella. Gosh Wally sounds a lot like what happened between 1976 and 1983, during the so-called “National Reorganization Process,” in Argentina when unexplained disappearances of between 10,000 and 30,000 Argentineans took place.
    Of course that was child's play compared to the millions killed in the genocide of the Pol Pot and the
    Khmer Rouge in Cambodia from 1975 to 1979.

    Does any of this sound like something a Christian American would do?

    In Obaba's own words while talking with George Stephanopoulos before he took over.
    Obama: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not ah talked Muslim faith and you're absolutely right that is not som".
    Stephanopoulos: "Your Christian faith".
    Obama: "My Christian faith".
    Classic Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is defined as; A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion. In other words the truth.

    Am I daring to compare our Dictator in Chief's early take overs of businesses like the Auto industry, the control of the Banking, the push to do the same with the Helth care industry, his destruction of the Economy, jobs growth system, the massive increases in food costs that are coming all under Cap in Trade, the push for his careless health plan that will call for the forced euthanasia of the frail and elderly. to these other dispicable acts, when all he continues to claim is he's doing what the American people wanted when they elected him? Gee I don't think so. Do you?
    It's time to find a new direction for our Country before it's too late if it's not already.

    January 2008... San Francisco Chronicle interview: Obama said: "Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under My Cap and Trade Plan"

    "Mar 15, 2008 ... My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".
    Barack Hussein Obama Extreme leftist

    "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else".
    Sir Winston Churchill
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