Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

[SgtRock]

Source: Human Rights Watch
June 26, 2009

Iran's paramilitary Basij arecarrying out brutal nighttime raids, destroying property in private homes andbeating civilians in an attempt to stop nightly protest chants, Human RightsWatch said today. Human Rights Watch also said the Iranian authorities areconfiscating satellite dishes from private homes to prevent citizens fromseeing foreign news.

Since the cable media is now Michael Jackson 24/7 I have been spending some time researching Irans dying green or stiletto revolution. This story came from hrw.org.

Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians | Human Rights Watch

Also cleric Ahmad Khatami at a sermon at Friday prayers that Iran's judiciary should charge such rioters as "mohareb", or one who wages war against God.
Under Iranian law, the punishment for people convicted as mohareb is execution. Iran is setting up special tribunals to make an example of protesters who have been arrested.

Apparently the theocratic dictatorship in Iran (The Twelvers) has crushed the will of the people and will continue preparing the world for the return of the mahdi (the twelth Imam). This is there ultimate goal. Many do not realize the significance of this. We are talking Armageddon. So for those of you who think that the west should stay out of the affairs of Iran. You havn't seen nothing yet. Soon Iran will have nuclear weapons. They will use these weapons to do what they believe they were ordained to do.

God help us all.

 

[American]

Time to send in Mossad.

 

[Scorpion89]

American-No it's time for Mr. Obama to grow a pair and say enough is eneough and start some real change, Were the **** is the Arab League in allof this and the ****ing UN oh thats right what am I thinking :doh

I say to my fellow humans enough let take up Arms and start attacking Iranian Interest thru out the World like what happen in Stockhom Yesterday.

 

[SgtRock]

We need the UN to pass strict sanctions. Then we need to form a coalition including Arab states to set up a blockade of all Irainian shipping in and out through the strait of Hormuz. All of Irans ports with the exception of Jask are in the Persian Gulf and we could block them from entry into the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea.

This of course would also hurt the Irainian people but that may be what it takes to weaken the regime and bring about a revolution.

 

[celticlord]

Also cleric Ahmad Khatami at a sermon at Friday prayers that Iran's judiciary should charge such rioters as "mohareb", or one who wages war against God.

The Mohareb are:

• علی حسینی خامنه*ایAli Hoseyni Khāmene’i
• محمود احمدی نژاد Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
• سپاه پاسداران انقلاب اسلامی Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution
• بسيج the Basij

These are the ones who wage war against God. These are the ones who turn their back on the Qu'ran, which expressly condemns their actions:

And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

Qu'ran 2:42​

Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah. for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.

Qu'ran 4:92-93​

Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.

Qu'ran 25:68​

They are Mohareb, not by my standards, but by their own.
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[Laila]

We need the UN to pass strict sanctions. Then we need to form a coalition including Arab states to set up a blockade of all Irainian shipping in and out through the strait of Hormuz. All of Irans ports with the exception of Jask are in the Persian Gulf and we could block them from entry into the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea.

This of course would also hurt the Irainian people but that may be what it takes to weaken the regime and bring about a revolution.

No Arab state will act against Iran over internal dispute imo

They are probably more worried that the protestors will spread to their own countries where citizens will start demanding rights and transparency. No no, Arab Governments would rather Iran's Government crush the uprising

 

[celticlord]

No Arab state will act against Iran over internal dispute imo

They are probably more worried that the protestors will spread to their own countries where citizens will start demanding rights and transparency. No no, Arab Governments would rather Iran's Government crush the uprising.

All the more reason to call for the Arab nations to publicly re-affirm their own Cairo Declaration of Human Rights In Islam, and to publicly re-affirm the charter of the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

These documents attest to human rights even within the Ummah. The standards of governance articulated within these documents do not look kindly on the actions of the Islamic Republic towards its own citizens.

Challenge the Ummah to live up to their truth, just as they challenge us to live up to ours.

 

[Laila]

All the more reason to call for the Arab nations to publicly re-affirm their own Cairo Declaration of Human Rights In Islam, and to publicly re-affirm the charter of the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

These documents attest to human rights even within the Ummah. The standards of governance articulated within these documents do not look kindly on the actions of the Islamic Republic towards its own citizens.

Challenge the Ummah to live up to their truth, just as they challenge us to live up to ours.

And who will be the one to demand it?
The citizens? I don't think so somehow.
No Government will snitch on one another because it'll ruin their power.

The last thing some Arab Governments will ever want is their citizens to start taking after the Iranians and get ideas of Democracy in their head.

 

[TheNextEra]

Hmmmm so this is the situation:

So Iranian government terrorizes citizens equals bad, and U.S. MUST intervene. However, when in Darfur the government was killing thousands and displacing and terrorizing millions of people from their homes via genocide equals don't care, let someone else handle it.

Interesting.

 

[Gibberish]

We need the UN to pass strict sanctions. Then we need to form a coalition including Arab states to set up a blockade of all Irainian shipping in and out through the strait of Hormuz. All of Irans ports with the exception of Jask are in the Persian Gulf and we could block them from entry into the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea.

This of course would also hurt the Irainian people but that may be what it takes to weaken the regime and bring about a revolution.

So you think its Americas place to FORCE a revolution in Iran?

 

[celticlord]

And who will be the one to demand it?
The citizens? I don't think so somehow.
No Government will snitch on one another because it'll ruin their power.

The last thing some Arab Governments will ever want is their citizens to start taking after the Iranians and get ideas of Democracy in their head.

If this is so, then there is no Ummah, there is no transnational community of believers.

Many in the Middle East, and many of their supporters elsewhere, have presented opposition to the actions of Muslim nations as opposition to Islam.

If Muslim nations will not defend Islam, such a charge evaporates, and the only remaining points of discussion are the interests of sovereign nations.

The interest of the United States, the interest of Europe, and the interest of every sovereign nation is that Iran, a nation with hegemonic ambition, nuclear technology, and substantial oil reserves, have a stable and withal peaceful government. If the Arab nations will not defend Islam against the predations of the Mohareb, then they have no standing to protest when other nations, including the United States, act to preserve their own best interests.

 

[Laila]

If this is so, then there is no Ummah, there is no transnational community of believers.

There is no ummah.
Those who oppose Islam seem to be under the impression that Muslims are united. We are not anymore.
Under Prophet Mohammed [May peace be upon him] we were but i don't believe we ever will be united in modern times unless something dramatic occurs

Many in the Middle East, and many of their supporters elsewhere, have presented opposition to the actions of Muslim nations as opposition to Islam.

If the Arab nations will not defend Islam against the predations of the Mohareb, then they have no standing to protest when other nations, including the United States, act to preserve their own best interests.

Arabs make up 15% of the Muslim population.
And i'm sure the average Arab do have that feeling of defence for Islam but i would not say it can be seen the higher up the command chain we go.
Religion is a very good tool to use to control people, Some Muslim leaders are well aware of its strengths.

 

[Apocalypse]

Hmmmm so this is the situation:

So Iranian government terrorizes citizens equals bad, and U.S. MUST intervene. However, when in Darfur the government was killing thousands and displacing and terrorizing millions of people from their homes via genocide equals don't care, let someone else handle it.

Interesting.

I'm sure you'll be surprised to find that every other nation upon earth had given more attention to the Iranian situation than to the Darfur one, and not just the U.S.

 

[Laila]

I'm sure you'll be surprised to find that every other nation upon earth had given more attention to the Iranian situation than to the Darfur one, and not just the U.S.

And i think that is as disgusting as us giving Michael Jackson more time than Iran.

What a sick world we live in.

 

[Scorpion89]

So you think its Americas place to FORCE a revolution in Iran?

Yes to the point plan and simple

 

[Apocalypse]

What a sick world we live in.

As compared to..?
No because I heard Mars is lovely this time of the year.

 

[Laila]

As compared to..?
No because I heard Mars is lovely this time of the year.

I'm comparing Earth to another place? :roll:

I don't think i need comparison to know it is sick when a genocide is ignored and a dead alleged pedo and a bunch of protestors get more airtime.

 

[celticlord]

There is no ummah.
Those who oppose Islam seem to be under the impression that Muslims are united. We are not anymore.
Under Prophet Mohammed [May peace be upon him] we were but i don't believe we ever will be united in modern times unless something dramatic occurs

Ironically, those outside of Islam who are most believing in the substance of the Ummah are not opponents of Islam, but would be friends of Islam. The "opponents" largely contend as you do, that there is no Ummah.

Dear Leader's speech in Cairo made great pretense of speaking to the Ummah. He has appointed an envoy to the Ummah.

He was speaking to ghosts, and his envoy is ambassador to the dead. As you say, the Ummah is no more.

A call to the Arab nations to reaffirm the Cairo Declaration, a document which explicitly declares the reality and the vitality of the Ummah, challenges them to either be the Ummah, or to lay aside the pretense of the Ummah.

Reaffirming the civilizing and historical role of the Islamic Ummah which Allah made as the best community and which gave humanity a universal and well-balanced civilization, in which harmony is established between hereunder and the hereafter, knowledge is combined with faith, and to fulfill the expectations from this community to guide all humanity which is confused because of different and conflicting beliefs and ideologies and to provide solutions for all chronic problems of this materialistic civilization.

The Cairo Declaration leaves no room for doubt in this: The member nations of the OIC have proclaimed the Ummah to be real, and to be present, and to be enduring.

Your assessment of the Arab nations--that they would demur from reaffirming the Cairo Declaration--is most likely correct. However, if challenged and they pass on the challenge, if they do not affirm the Ummah which they have proclaimed, then they cannot later use the pretense of the Ummah to condemn any other nation for any action taken against the Islamic Republic in order to secure the real interests of other sovereign nations.

 

[Scorpion89]

Hmmmm so this is the situation:

So Iranian government terrorizes citizens equals bad, and U.S. MUST intervene. However, when in Darfur the government was killing thousands and displacing and terrorizing millions of people from their homes via genocide equals don't care, let someone else handle it.

Interesting.

You've forgot the UN has sent in Peace keepers and ask that they be None Western mainly made up of the African Peacekeepers.

 

[Laila]

Ironically, those outside of Islam who are most believing in the substance of the Ummah are not opponents of Islam, but would be friends of Islam. The "opponents" largely contend as you do, that there is no Ummah.

Dear Leader's speech in Cairo made great pretense of speaking to the Ummah. He has appointed an envoy to the Ummah.

He was speaking to ghosts, and his envoy is ambassador to the dead. As you say, the Ummah is no more.

A call to the Arab nations to reaffirm the Cairo Declaration, a document which explicitly declares the reality and the vitality of the Ummah, challenges them to either be the Ummah, or to lay aside the pretense of the Ummah.

The Cairo Declaration leaves no room for doubt in this: The member nations of the OIC have proclaimed the Ummah to be real, and to be present, and to be enduring.

Your assessment of the Arab nations--that they would demur from reaffirming the Cairo Declaration--is most likely correct. However, if challenged and they pass on the challenge, if they do not affirm the Ummah which they have proclaimed, then they cannot later use the pretense of the Ummah to condemn any other nation for any action taken against the Islamic Republic in order to secure the real interests of other sovereign nations.

I doubt it.
A united Muslim world would be very powerful but sadly it'll never occur but the amount of times even on these forums i have read those who believe Islam and Muslims are on a mission to "take over" the world who then cite the Ummah as how we'd achieve it.

Muslims to some sense are united in the form that we worship the same God and that in itself breeds a loyalty to your Brother and Sisters but race, culture, country and especially sect and politics has divided us.

Arabs have their own interest as do the West so why would Governments not cite the Ummah when it suits them?

 

[Scorpion89]

Alright lets get back on Topic and the topic is Iran and the lack of any major World Leader Stepping up to the Plate and Saying enough is enough either you stop or we will do the following what Srg. said in his first post is the thing we should be doing, also it's time that we humans start protesting thru out the World at Iranian Embasy's and if we can get in then great time to send a message to the mullahs in Iran.

 

[Laila]

UK will step up to no ones plate.
And US should take a backseat.

We have meddled enough in the Middle East and especially in Iran.

 

[Apocalypse]

UK will step up to no ones plate.
And US should take a backseat.

We have meddled enough in the Middle East and especially in Iran.

Meddled in Iran?
Because that dress-wearing Ayalollah douche said so?
Come on.
When exactly did you interfere with Iran's business?

 

[Laila]

When exactly did you interfere with Iran's business?

Are you joking?

US and UK has a history of interfering with Iran.
Why do you think Iran's Ayotollah has targeted Britain especially. Iran's distrust of UK and US in some way is rooting in Britain's imperialist history.

1813 and the Treaty of Gulistan where Britain humilated Iran, Britain played a key role in setting Iran's borders, overthrew a Government with US help and installed a dictator - which was removed later by the Islamic revolution, exploitation of their oil. And lets not forget Iraq! Funding Saddam and looked the other way when Saddam broke UN law and allowed Saddam to get away with using gas ...

Yeah, we have not meddled ...

 

[Apocalypse]

Yeah, we have not meddled ...

Could you please elaborate?
As I remember it from history class, it was the US alone who overthrew the Iranian regime.