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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And who will be the one to demand it?
    The citizens? I don't think so somehow.
    No Government will snitch on one another because it'll ruin their power.

    The last thing some Arab Governments will ever want is their citizens to start taking after the Iranians and get ideas of Democracy in their head.
    If this is so, then there is no Ummah, there is no transnational community of believers.

    Many in the Middle East, and many of their supporters elsewhere, have presented opposition to the actions of Muslim nations as opposition to Islam.

    If Muslim nations will not defend Islam, such a charge evaporates, and the only remaining points of discussion are the interests of sovereign nations.

    The interest of the United States, the interest of Europe, and the interest of every sovereign nation is that Iran, a nation with hegemonic ambition, nuclear technology, and substantial oil reserves, have a stable and withal peaceful government. If the Arab nations will not defend Islam against the predations of the Mohareb, then they have no standing to protest when other nations, including the United States, act to preserve their own best interests.

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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If this is so, then there is no Ummah, there is no transnational community of believers.
    There is no ummah.
    Those who oppose Islam seem to be under the impression that Muslims are united. We are not anymore.
    Under Prophet Mohammed [May peace be upon him] we were but i don't believe we ever will be united in modern times unless something dramatic occurs

    Many in the Middle East, and many of their supporters elsewhere, have presented opposition to the actions of Muslim nations as opposition to Islam.

    If the Arab nations will not defend Islam against the predations of the Mohareb, then they have no standing to protest when other nations, including the United States, act to preserve their own best interests.
    Arabs make up 15% of the Muslim population.
    And i'm sure the average Arab do have that feeling of defence for Islam but i would not say it can be seen the higher up the command chain we go.
    Religion is a very good tool to use to control people, Some Muslim leaders are well aware of its strengths.


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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hmmmm so this is the situation:

    So Iranian government terrorizes citizens equals bad, and U.S. MUST intervene. However, when in Darfur the government was killing thousands and displacing and terrorizing millions of people from their homes via genocide equals don't care, let someone else handle it.

    Interesting.
    I'm sure you'll be surprised to find that every other nation upon earth had given more attention to the Iranian situation than to the Darfur one, and not just the U.S.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm sure you'll be surprised to find that every other nation upon earth had given more attention to the Iranian situation than to the Darfur one, and not just the U.S.
    And i think that is as disgusting as us giving Michael Jackson more time than Iran.

    What a sick world we live in.


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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So you think its Americas place to FORCE a revolution in Iran?
    Yes to the point plan and simple

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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What a sick world we live in.
    As compared to..?
    No because I heard Mars is lovely this time of the year.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As compared to..?
    No because I heard Mars is lovely this time of the year.
    I'm comparing Earth to another place?

    I don't think i need comparison to know it is sick when a genocide is ignored and a dead alleged pedo and a bunch of protestors get more airtime.


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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There is no ummah.
    Those who oppose Islam seem to be under the impression that Muslims are united. We are not anymore.
    Under Prophet Mohammed [May peace be upon him] we were but i don't believe we ever will be united in modern times unless something dramatic occurs
    Ironically, those outside of Islam who are most believing in the substance of the Ummah are not opponents of Islam, but would be friends of Islam. The "opponents" largely contend as you do, that there is no Ummah.

    Dear Leader's speech in Cairo made great pretense of speaking to the Ummah. He has appointed an envoy to the Ummah.

    He was speaking to ghosts, and his envoy is ambassador to the dead. As you say, the Ummah is no more.

    A call to the Arab nations to reaffirm the Cairo Declaration, a document which explicitly declares the reality and the vitality of the Ummah, challenges them to either be the Ummah, or to lay aside the pretense of the Ummah.

    Reaffirming the civilizing and historical role of the Islamic Ummah which Allah made as the best community and which gave humanity a universal and well-balanced civilization, in which harmony is established between hereunder and the hereafter, knowledge is combined with faith, and to fulfill the expectations from this community to guide all humanity which is confused because of different and conflicting beliefs and ideologies and to provide solutions for all chronic problems of this materialistic civilization.
    The Cairo Declaration leaves no room for doubt in this: The member nations of the OIC have proclaimed the Ummah to be real, and to be present, and to be enduring.

    Your assessment of the Arab nations--that they would demur from reaffirming the Cairo Declaration--is most likely correct. However, if challenged and they pass on the challenge, if they do not affirm the Ummah which they have proclaimed, then they cannot later use the pretense of the Ummah to condemn any other nation for any action taken against the Islamic Republic in order to secure the real interests of other sovereign nations.

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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hmmmm so this is the situation:

    So Iranian government terrorizes citizens equals bad, and U.S. MUST intervene. However, when in Darfur the government was killing thousands and displacing and terrorizing millions of people from their homes via genocide equals don't care, let someone else handle it.

    Interesting.
    You've forgot the UN has sent in Peace keepers and ask that they be None Western mainly made up of the African Peacekeepers.

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    Re: Iran: Night Raids Terrorize Civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Ironically, those outside of Islam who are most believing in the substance of the Ummah are not opponents of Islam, but would be friends of Islam. The "opponents" largely contend as you do, that there is no Ummah.

    Dear Leader's speech in Cairo made great pretense of speaking to the Ummah. He has appointed an envoy to the Ummah.

    He was speaking to ghosts, and his envoy is ambassador to the dead. As you say, the Ummah is no more.

    A call to the Arab nations to reaffirm the Cairo Declaration, a document which explicitly declares the reality and the vitality of the Ummah, challenges them to either be the Ummah, or to lay aside the pretense of the Ummah.

    The Cairo Declaration leaves no room for doubt in this: The member nations of the OIC have proclaimed the Ummah to be real, and to be present, and to be enduring.

    Your assessment of the Arab nations--that they would demur from reaffirming the Cairo Declaration--is most likely correct. However, if challenged and they pass on the challenge, if they do not affirm the Ummah which they have proclaimed, then they cannot later use the pretense of the Ummah to condemn any other nation for any action taken against the Islamic Republic in order to secure the real interests of other sovereign nations.
    I doubt it.
    A united Muslim world would be very powerful but sadly it'll never occur but the amount of times even on these forums i have read those who believe Islam and Muslims are on a mission to "take over" the world who then cite the Ummah as how we'd achieve it.

    Muslims to some sense are united in the form that we worship the same God and that in itself breeds a loyalty to your Brother and Sisters but race, culture, country and especially sect and politics has divided us.

    Arabs have their own interest as do the West so why would Governments not cite the Ummah when it suits them?
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