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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Hell, even Edison agreed that we should be using DC instead of AC.
    Edison was wrong.

    There, that's all solved.

    We use AC because transmission losses are dominated by the current transmitted. The use of alternating high voltage allows the use of transformers to create the current locally, instead of shipping the electrons all over the place direct.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Well, a VERY important think to actually know is that CO is a pollutant.
    Why would you want to KNOW something that isn't true?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    There is healthy skepticism. And there is moronic denialism.
    Right. Healthy skepticism says that the Earth isn't being dramatically influenced by human activity. Anyone looking around can see the truth of this. Moronic acceptance is believing everything politicians seeking to put chains on you tells you.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Ok, I see what you mean now. The main thing that I liked with DC over AC was that all of the equations and problems related to it were much simpler.

    Why won't people support more local power generation?

    It's inefficient given the nature of the technology.

    You want local generation? Buy a static inverter for those solar cells.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    DC has many added benefits like the fact that it is safer if you get electrocuted.
    Not true.

    AC current spasms the muscles, and a person will let go.

    DC current goes one way, the muscles contract, and you don't let go.

    Or so my electrician pals in the Navy told me.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Edison was wrong.

    There, that's all solved.

    We use AC because transmission losses are dominated by the current transmitted. The use of alternating high voltage allows the use of transformers to create the current locally, instead of shipping the electrons all over the place direct.
    Edison isn't wrong is you want to have local, competitive, free market power supplies.

    AC is great for regional areas but not good for competitive markets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Not true.

    AC current spasms the muscles, and a person will let go.

    DC current goes one way, the muscles contract, and you don't let go.

    Or so my electrician pals in the Navy told me.
    Your buddy is right but it seems that AC has a higher chance of stopping your heart.
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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Edison isn't wrong is you want to have local, competitive, free market power supplies.

    AC is great for regional areas but not good for competitive markets.



    Your buddy is right but it seems that AC has a higher chance of stopping your heart.
    But you can restart a heart, no?

    And the longer you hold onto it, the more damage you would take.
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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But you can restart a heart, no?

    And the longer you hold onto it, the more damage you would take.
    You can, I still have a bit more to learn about electronics and such.

    I'd still prefer a DC system over an AC system mainly for local competitive advantage.
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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If green energy were practical, private industry would already be buying into it. The fact tha they're not is a very telling commentary.
    Incorrect. Your statement is a failure to understand capitalism. Private industry allocates capital to where it knows it can make the required rate of return. Merely because something is practical does not equate to private industry investment. If the required rate of return is unknown or above what can be reasonably assumed, private industry does not engage in it. Space tourism was practical, but not sufficiently profitable for a very long time. Health care for the poor is practical, but the profits are so tiny that it's not worth doing.
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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Says who exactly?
    Keynes. And your opinion is rather irrelevant. Especially when the ideal world you want leads to 1990s Somalia when applied to reality.
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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Keynes. And your opinion is rather irrelevant. Especially when the ideal world you want leads to 1990s Somalia when applied to reality.
    Keynes did not write the law of this country. He's not God either.

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