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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Under the bill, the government would limit heat-trapping pollution from factories, refineries and power plants and issue allowances for polluters
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Doesn't sound too bad especially considering ...
    U.S. carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are rising at about 1 percent a year and are predicted to continue increasing without mandatory limits.
    We don't actually know if there's an anthropogenic component to "climate change" (or whatever the environmentalists call it now), so what sense does it make to limit CO2 emissions?

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Of course, and nothing wrong in that.
    I agree that there's nothing wrong with it, but please, don't pass it off as some entreprenurial genius that motivated these folks to build green energy projects. The only reason it's being done is because of government subsidies. The market would bare the construction of such projects, because either it isn't feasable, or nobody wants it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They understand it perfectly.

    Their goal is getting elected and consolidating and holding power. They've decided their best path to achieving that goal is an American bankruptcy via socialism, and now they have a Messiah who's going to bankrupt us faster than anyone.

    You hear anything about the dreaded DEFICIT since The Messiah came to town?

    No, of course not, the dominant Left Wing media is part of the charade.
    I agree that the politicians know exactly what they're doing. Their strategy is pure genius. I'm referring to the folks out here on the street that keep voting for those clowns.
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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Instead of all of those campaigns that try to get everyone to vote, I'd rather see a campaign with this slogan: "Don't know? Don't vote."

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Instead of all of those campaigns that try to get everyone to vote, I'd rather see a campaign with this slogan: "Don't know? Don't vote."

    I would like to see voters be required to pass a basic knowledge test before they're allowed to vote. Anyone who lives off government assistance shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Can we all say, "redistribute the wealth"?
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    It's supposed to be about 1300 pages long, and 300 of those pages were supposedly added at 4:00 a.m. on the day of the vote, and copies were not provided for Republicans.
    No, no, I meant I didn't see any such thing in the article which was linked.

    It's entirely possible it's jammed somewhere in 1300 pages.

    Is anyone actually going to read the whole thing?

    I doubt it.
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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    From what I understand, this bill will do little to achieve any promising environmental impact, as it pertains to the emissions of CO2. One of the provisions was going to be that the government would "sell" credits to companies that over went their alotted CO2 output, and was supposed to generate an extra $600 Billion for the government, but I believe that had to be axed in order to get a few more republican votes, as well as some exceptions for the agricultural industry. So now the government will simply be handing out these credits.

    Environmental groups are saying its a stupid bill, and conversly people who care about our economy are saying its a stupid bill. The only people who like this bill, are people who know nothing about either issue. I oppose it, based upon its likely economic impact, FWIW.
    So it seems like that the bill is being critisized for doing too much to reduce CO2 emmisions because it will harm the economy too much, or it is being critisized by groups because it doesn't do enough to reduce CO2 emmisions.

    I more or less support the bill because a weak start to reducing CO2 emmisions needs to be started as soon as possible.


    If anyone has information to say that it is inneficent in reducing CO2 emmisions for the damamge it will do to the economy, then I would be interested in that.

    But a weak effort is a smart step now, after the economy recovers the real work will need to be done. Hopefully after a more concrete proof of human created global warming.

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    But a weak effort is a smart step now, after the economy recovers the real work will need to be done. Hopefully after a more concrete proof of human created global warming.
    Is this sufficient? Oh woops, I found the opposite!

    CEI Releases Global Warming Study Censored by EPA | CEI

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    Re: House narrowly passes major energy-climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    Historical economic models are able to predict such figures fairly accurately. Whether the job is lost or a potential job is never created, the outcome is still the same, in this case, excessive unemployment.
    Can you actually prove this? And an actual job loss and a potential job not created are not the same thing. There are millions of potential jobs not created at any point in him. Does that equate to excessive unemployment? No. That notion requires that all workers are of the same level, that people aren't moving up, moving down or changing industries entirely. The report is faulty as it requires the belief that the job would have been created in the first place. That is suspect. Rather than address actual real job losses, it just assumes they would have been created in the first place. Anyone who understand the modern economy knows better than that.
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