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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Do Pakistani's tolerate Taliban? No they fight them constantly. Did the Iraqi people allow Al-Qaeda to gain control of the regions after Saddam's fall? No they fought them off and still do.

    Despite what you want to believe. Muslims fight Muslims all the time and there is no wide acceptance of radicals in the Muslim community. The great majority of Muslims are normal people that just want to live peaceful and prosperous lives.

    Your idea that if radicals exist the moderates must either actively annihilate them or be labeled supporters of radicalism is ludicrous.

    Most Muslims do not openly oppose anti-American extremism. They might give it lip service in their living room while they watch a Palestinian version of Mickey Mouse say that all the Jews must die, but they're not going to say it public and they're not going to take action to stop it. Muslims rarely side against other Muslims. Were the opposite true, anti-American Islamic extremism wouldn't exist.
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

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    Most Muslims do not openly oppose anti-American extremism.
    Sources?

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    They might give it lip service in their living room while they watch a Palestinian version of Mickey Mouse say that all the Jews must die, but they're not going to say it public and they're not going to take action to stop it.
    There are 700k people living in the West Bank. Who I must point out are refuges from present day Israel. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. These 700k hardly reflect the majority.

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    Muslims rarely side against other Muslims. Were the opposite true, anti-American Islamic extremism wouldn't exist.
    Seriously? What is the fighting in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? A bunch of Muslims fighting the Atheist populations?
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Sources?
    I got a better idea. You provide a source that proves me wrong. I can't prove a negative.


    There are 700k people living in the West Bank. Who I must point out are refuges from present day Israel. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. These 700k hardly reflect the majority.
    The majority reflects the majority.


    Seriously? What is the fighting in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? A bunch of Muslims fighting the Atheist populations?

    There's fighting in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait? A source, please?

    Pakistan is fighting to preserve it's government. It's no the Pakistani people standing up and doing away with terrorism. As I said, if they did, the Taliban would be a chapter in history vice a current event.

    The Iranians are protesting a rigged elction. Are they also fighting to destroy Hamas and Hezbollah?
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I got a better idea. You provide a source that proves me wrong. I can't prove a negative.
    I read your statement wrong. I agree most Muslims don't make it point to condemn terrorism. Why? Because it doesn't affect them. Why would Muslims in Indonesia and Bangladesh saying anything in regards to the Taliban? They are completely different cultures and don't directly affect one another.



    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The majority reflects the majority.
    Yes it does. Which is NOT the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, or the West Bank.

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    There's fighting in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait? A source, please?

    Pakistan is fighting to preserve it's government. It's no the Pakistani people standing up and doing away with terrorism. As I said, if they did, the Taliban would be a chapter in history vice a current event.

    The Iranians are protesting a rigged elction. Are they also fighting to destroy Hamas and Hezbollah?
    You said "Muslims rarely side against other Muslims". Muslims have been fighting Muslims for centuries on a regular basis. Terrorists even fight Terrorists, though rare since they usually don't occupy the same territory.
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    You said "Muslims rarely side against other Muslims". Muslims have been fighting Muslims for centuries on a regular basis. Terrorists even fight Terrorists, though rare since they usually don't occupy the same territory.
    In fact, that is one of the major reasons for disagreements in Iraq when we were working to rebuild it. Opposing sects of Islam disagreeing on who should get what.
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    You said "Muslims rarely side against other Muslims". Muslims have been fighting Muslims for centuries on a regular basis. Terrorists even fight Terrorists, though rare since they usually don't occupy the same territory.

    Sir, in modern times, show me where Muslims have sided against other Muslims, on behalf of America.
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sir, in modern times, show me where Muslims have sided against other Muslims, on behalf of America.
    Iraq, last few years?

    You going to admit defeat, or try and narrow your comments more to try and make them right?

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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Iraq, last few years?

    You going to admit defeat, or try and narrow your comments more to try and make them right?
    I haven't been defeated, my friend. You pointed out one instance where Americ paid Muslims to fight on our side, but more for their own well being, than our's. Were they fighting on our behalf, or did they finally, after 4 years, get tired of AQ's Iraq chapter killing off innocent civilians? Put yourself in their place. Would it take you 4 years to get a belly full of your own people being killed just to get back at the, "bad guys"?

    Are you going to pick up the slack and post sources telling about anti-terrorist forces in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia? I know how big you are on source documentation.
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sir, in modern times, show me where Muslims have sided against other Muslims, on behalf of America.
    How many times are you going to move that goalpost of yours?
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    Re: US appoints envoy to Muslim world

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I haven't been defeated, my friend. You pointed out one instance where Americ paid Muslims to fight on our side, but more for their own well being, than our's. Were they fighting on our behalf, or did they finally, after 4 years, get tired of AQ's Iraq chapter killing off innocent civilians? Put yourself in their place. Would it take you 4 years to get a belly full of your own people being killed just to get back at the, "bad guys"?

    Are you going to pick up the slack and post sources telling about anti-terrorist forces in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia? I know how big you are on source documentation.
    Why would Iraqis fight on behalf of America and not of Iraq?
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