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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As I said, China couldn't attack the mainland United States. If they TRIED to invade the lower 48, it would spell their demise. In military terms, they would become, "over extended", in other words, they wouldn;t be able to logistically support such an invasion. It would be too easy for us to cut off their supply lines, as it would were they to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. Invading Iraq before invading Afghanistan would be just plumb stupid. Also, I'm not aware of any American troops posted in Thailand. I could be wrong and if I am, I'm going to be pissed off that I didn't get the oppurtunity to be posted in Thailand, because I would have been headed to Phucket every chance I got.
    China is a major nuclear power and I'm pretty sure they could easily devastate American morale with missile attacks. Not to mention they would be able to decimate over half of the active duty members over seas who are well within Chinas spehere of attack.

    If we have war with China, we're screwed and Russia would be the wild card.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Polimaster View Post
    I think it is the job of the UN to step up .
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    China is a major nuclear power and I'm pretty sure they could easily devastate American morale with missile attacks. Not to mention they would be able to decimate over half of the active duty members over seas who are well within Chinas spehere of attack.

    If we have war with China, we're screwed and Russia would be the wild card.

    Yeah, and the Chinese aren't stupid. You have to factor in that whole, "mutual destruction", thing when you speak of a Chinese-American conflict in those terms.

    For every nuke that China launches, we'll launch five and the Chinese know it. So does Russia. IMO, Russia will sit that one out and relish in being the only show in town after China and the US vaporize each other.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    1) Who says we have the money to go into ANOTHER war?

    2) What if China attacks us while we're engaged in three separate wars?
    1) The money is created as debt. The fed could create it in about 2 hours if they wanted to.

    [ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544"]Money is created as debt.[/ame]

    2)That would be like taking a bucket of money and lighting it on fire. They currently own quite a bit of our debt.

    China Tops Japan in U.S. Debt Holdings


    There are probably several reasons to inspect or not inspect the ships. Those are not any of them.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I disagree with the last point in #6.

    If we invest money correctly in rebuilding another country, it is not necessarily a loss. The potential exists for it to be so, but the opposite is also the case.
    Eh, it's a loss in the sense that our money that's in our country is flowing out of the US into another country with no immediate rewards. Sure we can "grow a garden" and potentially get crops back in return, but there's no guarantee and considering our economy is bad now- it's high risk low reward.

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    1) The money is created as debt. The fed could create it in about 2 hours if they wanted to.

    There are probably several reasons to inspect or not inspect the ships. Those are not any of them.
    That's money printed. We don't actually gain money and our money loses value the more we print. Also, if China wanted to be the only superpower, they could very well attack us.

    EDIT: Additionally, printing money increases debt as you said.

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't hate unions. I hate when unions are a political power and are paid off with billions in tax payer dollars as a reward for getting a politician elected to office. At that point, they stop being, "labor unions", and become political action committees.
    Eh, prove that this is the case with auto unions (i.e. that they're not effective at being unions).

    That's a dumbass question that I shouldn't entertain wiht an answer, but I will. I'm not, "pro-Americans dieing". I'm pro the bad guys dieing so American civilians don't have to die. Just think how many people didn't have to die on 9/11 had the United States had a more aggressive anti-terrorism program.
    It's not a stupid question. Your stupid proposal would lead to Americans dying (not to mention civilians in other countries). They're ran by a dictator who's about to step down. Don't think he's not crazy enough to attack the US. Also, you really think we could've stopped 9/11 with a stronger anti-terrorism program? Especially considering we knew about Osama Bin Laden for years before 9/11? It's been documented that we warned Bush several times about possible terroristic attacks from Bin Laden.

    Do you understand adapt and overcome? Only the strong survive. If the marsh mouse can't adapt to his new environment, then he was naturally selected to die off. How many human lives is the marsh mouse species really worth. I'll expect a number from you. Thanks in advance.
    Do I understand adapt and overcome? Do you? What part of artificially changing the environment has to do with natural selection? Do you know how difficult it is to adapt to a situation as fast as people can change it? It takes generations. This is really a stupid argument. Let's throw poison into the air and say "if people can't adapt, then they're naturally selected to die off." Also, since when did marsh mice lead to people dying? What are you even getting at here? How many of your arguments are worth dead babies dying? <- that's also a stupid argument that is just sensationalism.


    No, you're probably right. We don't have the money to protect the country because PBO spent it all on unions, the welfare class, cash for clunkers and the marsh mouse.
    Are you pretending to be ignorant or is it natural? We do fine protecting our own homeland (except 9/11 apparently, but you can blame that one on PBO). We already have money spent in all of these things. How do you suppose we fund another war?

    China will attack conventionally. I would hope that we see them coming. I think, even in the Krewe Obama situtation room, the Chinese fleet deploying east will raise some concern.

    Protecting the country is wasting money? Surely you jest?
    Protecting the country is wasting money if you do it in a stupid way. Why not just nuke every other country then? Surely we'd end up protecting our own country. But that's stupid isn't it?

    Also, I would imagine China's smart enough to attack us in a way that catches us offguard.

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    I'm afraid that all who are holding out any hope of the U.N. having a positive or any influence for that matter on any potential serious conflict from the smallest to those that could include a major exchange of nuclear weapons will be as disappointed as a small child who just learned that Santa Clause is not a real person.
    Today's news that Chins is upset that they have found they have little influence on N.Korea is in a way encouraging. It may signal an opening for productive talks between the U.S. and China in an effort to present a united front that could deal with Kim Jung Il or his equally crazy son and point out th utter futility of provoking a war they could not hope to survive in for more than a few minutes. China needs our business as much as we need them to purchase our debt and keep us afloat. It a round robin money exchange needed by both countries at this point in history.
    The bad thing is we are stuck with Amateur in Chief Obama who has no experience in foreign policy or diplomacy what so ever and his naivete shows more all the time.

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    That's money printed. We don't actually gain money and our money loses value the more we print. Also, if China wanted to be the only superpower, they could very well attack us.

    EDIT: Additionally, printing money increases debt as you said.
    Dont need to print money. A few typed keys and its done. This is the age of the debit/credit card.

    Money is created out of....nothing.


    There is little difference monetarily between a whole new war and the total potential bank payouts and taarp spending that has been thrown out the window already this year. No one seems of power seems to be concerned about the mountain of hyperinflation turning our direction right now anyway. Wars create jobs too. Ask KBR.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Dont need to print money. A few typed keys and its done. This is the age of the debit/credit card.

    Money is created out of....nothing.
    This is absolutely true. The cash now made in the US is not even backed up by gold anymore as it used to be. All trade with foreign countries is now based on their faith in the US dollar, this is another reason why the falling value of the dollar is a big issue. Most of the money in the world is not cash but rather not existent in a material way, it is just a bunch of numbers on a computer screen.

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