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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    1) Who says we have the money to go into ANOTHER war?

    2) What if China attacks us while we're engaged in three separate wars?

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    1) Who says we have the money to go into ANOTHER war?

    2) What if China attacks us while we're engaged in three separate wars?

    Well, if we weren't spending trillions on the auto unions, the welfare class and the San Francisco marsh mouse, we could afford to protect the country.

    China could only attack us on the Korean peninsula. They don't have the logistical capabilities to attack mainland America.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, if we weren't spending trillions on the auto unions, the welfare class and the San Francisco marsh mouse, we could afford to protect the country.

    China could only attack us on the Korean peninsula. They don't have the logistical capabilities to attack mainland America.
    1) I don't understand the hate for unions. Corporate owners try to take advantage of workers. Workers can't afford another job. Workers form a union.

    2) You're pro-Americans dying?

    3) Do you understand cause and effect relationships? If we allow the extinction of animals then we screw up ecosystems everywhere.

    4) You still didn't address the point. The fact is, we've already invested money in each of these things. How are we going to spend the money we have right now (which is in the negative mind you) on another war?

    5) Eh. IIRC Al Qaeda didn't have the logistical capability to attack us either. I think China's a bit more organized than Al Qaeda. Not everything is about fighter jets, missiles, submarines, or whatever. Even if it was, China could attack one of our allies forcing us to retaliate.

    6) It's funny. A lot of Republicans who are bashing Obama on "Spend! Spend! Spend!" want us to waste the money we're trying to invest in our own economy into foreign wars. Anytime a plane gets shot down, that's money lost. Anytime we have to invest in rebuilding another country, that's money lost.

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who said anything about provoking a nuclear war? Could possibly stick to things that have actully been said, instead of fabricated comments?
    North Korea has stated if the ship is intercepted it is a declaration of war. Now that doesn't mean we shouldn't intercept the ship but it means we better be damn sure what we think is on that ship is really on that ship and that intercepting is is worth going to war over.


    How do you see war unfolding if America and North Korea go to full scale war? Will Kim Jong-il simply let itself himself and his dictatorship fall to the power of American without using the weapons it has
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    It's funny. A lot of Republicans who are bashing Obama on "Spend! Spend! Spend!" want us to waste the money we're trying to invest in our own economy into foreign wars. Anytime a plane gets shot down, that's money lost. Anytime we have to invest in rebuilding another country, that's money lost.
    Personally, I disagree with the last point in #6.

    If we invest money correctly in rebuilding another country, it is not necessarily a loss. The potential exists for it to be so, but the opposite is also the case.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    I think the United Nations is right to wait until after they have left Chinese waters. I think it is the job of the UN to step up and search the ship, but if they do not take any action than the United States should search it simply because it poses a risk to national security and should not be taken lightly. North Korea has been allowed a very long leash and it is time they are reigned in and taken control of.

    Every country is allowed the right to defend themselves but they must be capable of acting with restraint before they are trusted to do so. They should be closely monitored, because they cannot be acted to act with restraint and wisdom. They should not be allowed to own nuclear weapons, nor long range missile technology. They should be treated like children and only receive special privileges when they are responsible enough to handle them, which they have clearly proved they are not able to.

    The US should only take action as a last resort, it is the UN that should take action right now. The US would be in big trouble if it got itself in another war, even just economically. More importantly though, North Korea is led by a nut job who is likely to start a nuclear war that would doom the human species.

    The ship is a test, and it would be unwise to fail it.

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    1) I don't understand the hate for unions. Corporate owners try to take advantage of workers. Workers can't afford another job. Workers form a union.
    I don't hate unions. I hate when unions are a political power and are paid off with billions in tax payer dollars as a reward for getting a politician elected to office. At that point, they stop being, "labor unions", and become political action committees.

    2) You're pro-Americans dying?
    That's a dumbass question that I shouldn't entertain wiht an answer, but I will. I'm not, "pro-Americans dieing". I'm pro the bad guys dieing so American civilians don't have to die. Just think how many people didn't have to die on 9/11 had the United States had a more aggressive anti-terrorism program.

    3) Do you understand cause and effect relationships? If we allow the extinction of animals then we screw up ecosystems everywhere.
    Do you understand adapt and overcome? Only the strong survive. If the marsh mouse can't adapt to his new environment, then he was naturally selected to die off. How many human lives is the marsh mouse species really worth. I'll expect a number from you. Thanks in advance.

    4) You still didn't address the point. The fact is, we've already invested money in each of these things. How are we going to spend the money we have right now (which is in the negative mind you) on another war?
    No, you're probably right. We don't have the money to protect the country because PBO spent it all on unions, the welfare class, cash for clunkers and the marsh mouse.

    5) Eh. IIRC Al Qaeda didn't have the logistical capability to attack us either. I think China's a bit more organized than Al Qaeda. Not everything is about fighter jets, missiles, submarines, or whatever. Even if it was, China could attack one of our allies forcing us to retaliate.
    China will attack conventionally. I would hope that we see them coming. I think, even in the Krewe Obama situtation room, the Chinese fleet deploying east will raise some concern.

    6) It's funny. A lot of Republicans who are bashing Obama on "Spend! Spend! Spend!" want us to waste the money we're trying to invest in our own economy into foreign wars. Anytime a plane gets shot down, that's money lost. Anytime we have to invest in rebuilding another country, that's money lost.
    Protecting the country is wasting money? Surely you jest?
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    North Korea has stated if the ship is intercepted it is a declaration of war. Now that doesn't mean we shouldn't intercept the ship but it means we better be damn sure what we think is on that ship is really on that ship and that intercepting is is worth going to war over.
    They're probably bluffing and I think we should call them on it. One way to find out.


    How do you see war unfolding if America and North Korea go to full scale war? Will Kim Jong-il simply let itself himself and his dictatorship fall to the power of American without using the weapons it has
    If they have deliverable nuclear weapons systems, then that's all the more reason for a pre-emptive strike. IMO, let me say that again so no one get's confused, IMO, the NK's don't have a rocket to act as the vehicle for a nuclear warhead. However, IMO, they can deliver a nuke with an aircraft. Simple solution, destroy everything that NK owns, that is capable of flight; everything as small as a Cessna 150 and as big as a C-5.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, doing nothing hasn't had a positive effect? Yes?
    Well no one has died yet, so yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who said anything about provoking a nuclear war? Could possibly stick to things that have actully been said, instead of fabricated comments?
    Uhm, well, I'd be willing to be my life on it that if we attacked NK or one of their stupid little missile ships, that is probably rice anyway, that they would respond with whatever WMD's they have.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, if we weren't spending trillions on the auto unions, the welfare class and the San Francisco marsh mouse, we could afford to protect the country.
    Well, the auto industry has been hit especially hard in the recession so I think that putting money towards the millions of people who got laid off is semi-productive.

    Welfare class needs money to get off welfare.

    And what the hell is the San Francisco Marsh Mouse. Probably some ignorant comment that makes no sense and is just to make you look smart.

    China could only attack us on the Korean peninsula. They don't have the logistical capabilities to attack mainland America.
    No. Not really. They could attack us in Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea, Japan, Thailand, the Philipines, and not to mention the countless other countries we have American troops and citizens in, and I'm also willing to bet that if were at war with them, its all out war and they will come up with away to TRY to invade us.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Welfare class needs money to get off welfare.
    You're ****tin' me, right?

    And what the hell is the San Francisco Marsh Mouse. Probably some ignorant comment that makes no sense and is just to make you look smart.
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    No. Not really. They could attack us in Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea, Japan, Thailand, the Philipines, and not to mention the countless other countries we have American troops and citizens in, and I'm also willing to bet that if were at war with them, its all out war and they will come up with away to TRY to invade us.

    As I said, China couldn't attack the mainland United States. If they TRIED to invade the lower 48, it would spell their demise. In military terms, they would become, "over extended", in other words, they wouldn;t be able to logistically support such an invasion. It would be too easy for us to cut off their supply lines, as it would were they to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. Invading Iraq before invading Afghanistan would be just plumb stupid. Also, I'm not aware of any American troops posted in Thailand. I could be wrong and if I am, I'm going to be pissed off that I didn't get the oppurtunity to be posted in Thailand, because I would have been headed to Phucket every chance I got.
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