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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    JUST RICE??? From N Korea where there are food shortages?
    No the ship is allegedly going there to pick up a shipment of rice.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Board the ship; by force if neccessary. If it's suspected of carrying illegal materials, then we have a duty to board and search the vessel.
    WITH permission of Burma, which we have yet to recieve.

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    The naive Amateur in Chief has turned the US into a mirror image of the UN paper Tiger. Pass a Security Council Resolution and back it up with enforcement in the form of cheap meaningless emptiness, not even tough talk. Why would the US fear enforcing a resolution. Why both passing them in fact why belong to the UN in the first place they hate the US as a group and do nothing around the world. I point to Rwanda Genocide of 1994 as an example where they could have stopped it at the outset and Kofi Annan order the Canadian General on the ground to stand down.
    Time to leave the UN and kick them out of the Country and start thinking about our own survival and to hell with the rest unless they are part of NATO and open it up to all countries welling to be part and never be aggressors. The rename it the World Defense Organization.
    You make no sense. We are simply saving the trouble of causing another diplomatic crisis over a more than likely possibility of it just being what Burma and NK say it is. Rice. Think it through before you start deouncing the UN, I'm proud that they passed a resolution that allows for some kind of confrontation.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm no naval warfare expert, but how would we damage the weapons without damaging the ship?

    Well of course. But how does that equal sinking it?

    Tit for tat. The North Koreans might ask you the same question about trying to board their ship by force.

    True, which is why I personally think before any such action is taken, we must be more sure about the cargo than we currently appear to be.

    I agree with this. In other words, we basically ignore the provocation. I just question why we don't do the same thing here, when this is even less of a provocation.

    Deciding which is the greater provocation depends greatly on your definition of provocation. If the ship is actually carrying illegal items, we might have a legal reason for stopping it (I know almost nothing about maritime law).
    On the other hand, if there is nothing of interest in the ship, then why are we having one of our ships shadow it?

    They already have them.
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    Ah. I vaguely remember hearing something about that recently. Which shows I ought to pay more attention to the news, I suppose.

    Possibly. But our retaliatory options are much more limited than theirs, since they have the luxury of not having to care about human rights or international opinion.

    In some respects, yes. However, in others (notably the disparity between our military abilities and the amount of diplomatic pressure we can bring to bear and theirs), we have the upper hand.

    Correct. And they probably have the same understanding about the United States. Which is why a game of chicken with nukes is not in anyone's interest...especially while North Korea is undergoing a leadership transition.

    Depending on the situation, I think it possible that (at least from the US end) such a game could be avoided. If NK wants to play such a game, I don't really see how we could stop them from playing.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And if the ship refuses to stop and/or fires on the American ship?

    Fire back !! boom !
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Fire back !! boom !
    And then they fire back at Seoul killing thousands within hours and war.

    Again, why is the blood thirst so high?

    Bording a ship is not worth the deaths of tens of thousands.

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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And then they fire back at Seoul killing thousands within hours and war.
    Why, if we had a valid reason to board the ship?

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    Again, why is the blood thirst so high?.
    Only among some.

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    Bording a ship is not worth the deaths of tens of thousands.
    True. But do you really think NK would attack SK simply because we boarded a ship?

    If we did it without any valid reason, possibly. Even then, probably not.
    But if a valid reason arises, they would be considered by many to be in the wrong if they did so.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Why, if we had a valid reason to board the ship?
    Do you think that there is any possible reason that North Korea would consider valid for the US Navy damaging and boarding their ship?

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    True. But do you really think NK would attack SK simply because we boarded a ship?
    No, but they could do something in response. To which we could do something in response. Which escalates into a war.

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    If we did it without any valid reason, possibly. Even then, probably not.
    But if a valid reason arises, they would be considered by many to be in the wrong if they did so.
    I don't think global opinion of North Korea could possibly drop much lower.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And then they fire back at Seoul killing thousands within hours and war.

    Again, why is the blood thirst so high?

    Bording a ship is not worth the deaths of tens of thousands.

    What if boarding the ship could prevent the deaths of tens of thousands?
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What if boarding the ship could prevent the deaths of tens of thousands?
    The North is already threatening us. Lets not give them a reason to actually attack us or the 20+ thousand American soldiers in South Korea, who they could easily hit with a missile.

    I doubt the North is selling its nuclear weapons. They are dieing for them so why the hell would they sell them to Myanmar?

    They wouldn't, so there is the reason they aren't inspecting the ship by force. Though we don't have formal relations with Myanmar, we aren't hostile.

    So it looks like its jsut waht they say. Rice.
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    And what if you simply ask them to let you on board?
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    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    HmmI think someone needs to go and read the UN Resolutution and then order the US navy to stop the ship and board it.

    Now before any of you start with me. The ship in question is and always has been one of three Arms Transporters that North Korea has used in the past. This ship has a reenforced hull and is armed with Mini-Guns and Canons plus the Crew is North Korea Regular Army.

    Oh and one other item the whole Rice thing is a load of BS since North Korea gets 97% of their Rice from China.

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