Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 75

Thread: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

  1. #21
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And how exactly do they board the ship by force while being fired upon?
    Uh...destroy the guns/weapons and people doing the firing?
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  2. #22
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Uh...destroy the guns/weapons and people doing the firing?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And if North Korea responds by executing American reporters or firing missiles at Hawaii?
    .............
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  3. #23
    Guru
    Councilman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Riverside, County, CA.
    Last Seen
    11-04-11 @ 10:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,454
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    The naive Amateur in Chief has turned the US into a mirror image of the UN paper Tiger. Pass a Security Council Resolution and back it up with enforcement in the form of cheap meaningless emptiness, not even tough talk. Why would the US fear enforcing a resolution. Why both passing them in fact why belong to the UN in the first place they hate the US as a group and do nothing around the world. I point to Rwanda Genocide of 1994 as an example where they could have stopped it at the outset and Kofi Annan order the Canadian General on the ground to stand down.
    Time to leave the UN and kick them out of the Country and start thinking about our own survival and to hell with the rest unless they are part of NATO and open it up to all countries welling to be part and never be aggressors. The rename it the World Defense Organization.

  4. #24
    Sage
    Gibberish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Last Seen
    12-23-12 @ 09:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    6,339

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And if North Korea responds by executing American reporters or firing missiles at Hawaii?
    Obviously the ability to flex some muscle at North Korea, even if based on false intel, is worth all the potential deaths.
    "Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."
    - Warren Buffett

  5. #25
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Obviously the ability to flex some muscle at North Korea, even if based on false intel, is worth all the potential deaths.
    Wait a sec...

    Who said that was the case?

    If you think it was me, that was not my intention.

    I was simply stating what the methods would be if it were decided to stop the vessel in question.
    Last edited by The Mark; 06-26-09 at 09:56 PM.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  6. #26
    Sage
    Gibberish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Last Seen
    12-23-12 @ 09:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    6,339

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Wait a sec...

    Who said that was the case?

    If you think it was me, that was not my intention.

    I was simply stating what the methods would be if it were decided to stop the vessel in question.
    Those that are calling for the vessel to be intersected and that Obama is wrong for not taking this ship out now.
    "Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."
    - Warren Buffett

  7. #27
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Wait a sec...

    Who said that was the case?

    If you think it was me, that was not my intention.

    I was simply stating what the methods would be if it were decided to stop the vessel in question.
    Well if you're going to play nuclear brinkmanship, you had better be able to look at the chessboard at least eight or nine moves ahead.

    So the US Navy demands that the ship stop.
    The ship refuses and/or fires on the US Navy.
    The US Navy sinks the ship.
    The North Koreans respond by executing American citizens and firing a missile toward Hawaii.

    What is the next step?
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  8. #28
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well if you're going to play nuclear brinkmanship, you had better be able to look at the chessboard at least eight or nine moves ahead.
    That would seem reasonable. Who's playing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So the US Navy demands that the ship stop.
    Ok.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The ship refuses and/or fires on the US Navy.
    Yes...
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The US Navy sinks the ship.
    Wait, why? Why not just damage it's steering/propulsion? And weapons, if necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The North Koreans respond by executing American citizens and firing a missile toward Hawaii.
    If it were a ship carrying illegal items, which I do not believe is known one way or another as of this moment, what would this do except anger the USA?

    So why would they do such a thing?

    Not to say that they wouldn't, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What is the next step?
    If we take your hypothetical 4th step as the previous step, it would seem reasonable that we would shoot down the missile if it got anywhere near Hawaii, or simply laugh as it crashed into the sea. Practice for the radar/satellite operators?

    As to the executing American citizens:
    How would they acquire them.
    How can we prevent that.
    Is it not reasonable to assume that we would retaliate in some fashion if they did so?
    Is my understanding incorrect when I think that while NK might want to taunt and mock us, they don't really want to get into a war with us?
    Last edited by The Mark; 06-26-09 at 10:33 PM.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  9. #29
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Wait, why? Why not just damage it's steering/propulsion? And weapons, if necessary?
    I'm no naval warfare expert, but how would we damage the weapons without damaging the ship?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark
    If it were a ship carrying illegal items, which I do not believe is known one way or another as of this moment, what would this do except anger the USA?

    So why would they do such a thing?

    Not to say that they wouldn't, of course.
    Tit for tat. The North Koreans might ask you the same question about trying to board their ship by force.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark
    If we take your hypothetical 4th step as the previous step, it would seem reasonable that we would shoot down the missile if it got anywhere near Hawaii, or simply laugh as it crashed into the sea. Practice for the radar/satellite operators?
    I agree with this. In other words, we basically ignore the provocation. I just question why we don't do the same thing here, when this is even less of a provocation.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark
    As to the executing American citizens:
    How would they acquire them.
    How can we prevent that.
    They already have them.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_imprisonment_of_US_journalists_by_North_Korea]2009 imprisonment of US journalists by North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark
    Is it not reasonable to assume that we would retaliate in some fashion if they did so?
    Possibly. But our retaliatory options are much more limited than theirs, since they have the luxury of not having to care about human rights or international opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark
    Is my understanding incorrect when I think that while NK might want to taunt and mock us, they don't really want to get into a war with us?
    Correct. And they probably have the same understanding about the United States. Which is why a game of chicken with nukes is not in anyone's interest...especially while North Korea is undergoing a leadership transition.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  10. #30
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,461

    Re: US will not use force to inspect N. Korean ship

    Originally Posted by Kandahar
    And if North Korea responds by executing American reporters or firing missiles at Hawaii?
    In that case, we bomb the livin' dog **** out of North Korea. Afterall, we're much stronger than they are. Right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •