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    Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    June 26 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Senate proposal to impose taxes for the first time on “gold-plated” health plans may bypass generous employee benefits negotiated by unions.

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, the chief congressional advocate of taxing some employer-provided benefits to help pay for a $1 trillion overhaul of the U.S. health system, says any change should exempt perks secured in existing collective-bargaining agreements, which can be in place for as long as five years.

    The exception, which could make the proposal more politically palatable to Democrats from heavily unionized states such as Michigan, is adding controversy to an already contentious debate. It would shield the 12.4 percent of American workers who belong to unions from being taxed while exposing some other middle-income workers to the levy.
    Other than the The Obama and the Democrats trying to protect their union buddies and guarantee that the union membership will vote for said same, can anyone come up with a reason why union health-care benefist should not be taxes like everyone else's?

    This, folks, is the "change" that The Obama and the Dems have brought to DC.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Unions? Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal - Bloomberg.com

    Other than the The Obama and the Democrats trying to protect their union buddies and guarantee that the union membership will vote for said same, can anyone come up with a reason why union health-care benefist should not be taxes like everyone else's?

    This, folks, is the "change" that The Obama and the Dems have brought to DC.
    You cannot fabricate the level of denial, naiveté' and lies that represents the current administration and its attempts to usurp the Constitution and make us all dependent wards of the state.

    The most frightening part of all this largess is that while bankrupting the Federal Government in a vast sea of red ink, it is also sinking our economy.

    The notion that if only the Government intrudes more on our liberties and spends us into a vast sea of debt can we all be better off requires more than JUST the willing suspension of disbelief, but blatant and profound ignorance.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Unions? Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal - Bloomberg.com

    Other than the The Obama and the Democrats trying to protect their union buddies and guarantee that the union membership will vote for said same, can anyone come up with a reason why union health-care benefist should not be taxes like everyone else's?

    This, folks, is the "change" that The Obama and the Dems have brought to DC.
    the same reason smoking bans in my state exempted casino's....powerful lobbyists.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Other than the The Obama and the Democrats trying to protect their union buddies and guarantee that the union membership will vote for said same, can anyone come up with a reason why union health-care benefist should not be taxes like everyone else's?
    Nope. If there is such a tax then no one should be exempt from it. Though I think it should be able to be absorbed at certain levels of the health care hierarchy. Such as if, as an employer, I wanted absorb 50% of the tax burden that my employees might face.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Every administration has unfair tax proposals.

    For example, Bush's tax cuts for the rich.

    Obama is exempting union workers from health care tax. If you want to be exempted, join a union.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life
    Every administration has unfair tax proposals.

    For example, Bush's tax cuts for the rich.
    Bush's tax cuts effected everyone, they were not just for the rich.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life
    Obama is exempting union workers from health care tax. If you want to be exempted, join a union.
    Government coercion in this manner has no justification.

    If you want more of your money, you earned join a union.

    If you don't want to join a union you will be punished with higher taxes.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Every administration has unfair tax proposals.
    So... does that mean that this is OK with you?

    For example, Bush's tax cuts for the rich.
    You mean his tax cuts for everone that paid taxes.
    Bit hey -- since "every administration has unfair tax proposals". you had no issue with those cuts.
    Right?

    Obama is exempting union workers from health care tax. If you want to be exempted, join a union.
    Gee...you don't figure that's part of the plan, do you?
    To bolster union membership by forcing people to choose between joining a union or pay higher taxes -- that is, through coercion?
    Nah. That just can't be.


    So, what's the "good reason" to exempt taxes on health care benefits from unions?
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you want more of your money, you earned join a union.

    If you don't want to join a union you will be punished with higher taxes.
    You wont be punished with higher taxes, your just wont be lowered as much. This is also an incentive for workers to join unions. I think its good.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    You wont be punished with higher taxes, your just wont be lowered as much. This is also an incentive for workers to join unions. I think its good.
    Why should someone be coerced into joining a union?

    If the union is so great they can offer their own incentives outside of government privileges.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... does that mean that this is OK with you?
    I don't have a problem with it.

    You mean his tax cuts for everone that paid taxes.
    Bit hey -- since "every administration has unfair tax proposals". you had no issue with those cuts.
    Right?
    His tax cuts for the rich. And I did have a problem for that, the rich have no reason to get tax cuts, they have plenty of money, the could be a little bir productive to society and pay for things.

    Gee...you don't figure that's part of the plan, do you?
    To bolster union membership by giving someone a reason to join?
    Nah. That just can't be.
    I damn well know its being used as an incentive for workers to join unions, and I don't have a problem with that.

    So, what's the "good reason" to exempt taxes on health care benefits from unions?
    For more union membership. Exactly what you stated.
    Quote Originally Posted by President Barack Hussein Obama's Inaugural Address
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