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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why should someone be coerced into joining a union?

    If the union is so great they can offer their own incentives outside of government privileges.
    Does anyone think that if the reverse were true -- that only health care benefits from union were to be taxed -- that the supporters of this idea would be happy?

    Or would they be the first to scream bloody murder?

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Does anyone think that if the reverse were true -- that only health care benefits from union were to be taxed -- that the supporters of this idea would be happy?

    Or would they be the first to scream bloody murder?
    Of course, they would cry.

    I work in a non union factory. I do have a few minor complaints about my company but nothing that requires a legal authority to step all over them.

    In all they treat us pretty well with benefits and pay.

    I'd be violently opposed to a union trying to set up shop here.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Bush's tax cuts effected everyone, they were not just for the rich.
    Not true. You had to pay taxes to get a tax cut.

    Which is the true issue with these people not being honest with us. It was an actual tax cut, not an entitlement program, which is what they would prefer.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Not true. You had to pay taxes to get a tax cut.
    You got me there.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Which is the true issue with these people not being honest with us. It was an actual tax cut, not an entitlement program, which is what they would prefer.
    To be more specific it was a tax rate cut, which effected everyone who paid taxes.

    I can't remember the specifics but in all it was a good thing until they started spending like crazy asses.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    I don't have a problem with it.
    Would you hve a problem with it if ONLY union helath care benefotts were taxed?

    His tax cuts for the rich.
    He cut taxes for everyone that paid taxes.

    And I did have a problem for that... the rich have no reason to get tax cuts
    OK... and so why should union members get a tax break?

    I damn well know its being used as an incentive for workers to join unions, and I don't have a problem with that.
    You're OK with the goverment coercing people to join unions.
    Noted.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Would you hve a problem with it if ONLY union helath care benefotts were taxed?
    To be in a union, you obviously work for a living, so I think thats pretty damn easy way and an effective way to weed out the people who sit on their asses on unemployment for 2 years not even looking for a job.

    So yes, I would be upset if he only taxed them.

    He cut taxes for everyone that paid taxes.
    And look how good everyones doing now.

    OK... and so why should union members get a tax break?
    Because there is definite proof they work for their living, and they are productive to society.

    You're OK with the goverment coercing people to join unions.
    Noted.
    They are offering incentives to join unions. Not tricking them or offering them no other choice.
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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    To be in a union, you obviously work for a living, so I think thats pretty damn easy way and an effective way to weed out the people who sit on their asses on unemployment for 2 years not even looking for a job.
    Given that the issue here is taxing employer-provided health care benefits, this makes no sense.

    So yes, I would be upset if he only taxed them.
    Ah yes -- what a surprise.
    Gotta protect those good Dem voters!

    And look how good everyones doing now.
    Irrelevantto the issue.
    YOU caimed that Bush gave tax cuts to the rich, and so opposed those tax cuts. In fact, he gave tax cuts to everyone that paid taxes -- and so, the reason for your opposition does not exist.

    Because there is definite proof they work for their living, and they are productive to society.
    Um... you know that the proposed taxation of benefits are for those who get health care from their employer, right?
    So, the difference is...?

    They are offering incentives to join unions. Not tricking them or offering them no other choice.
    "Join a union or your taxes will go up".
    Thats not an incentive, that's coercion.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Other than the The Obama and the Democrats trying to protect their union buddies and guarantee that the union membership will vote for said same, can anyone come up with a reason why union health-care benefist should not be taxes like everyone else's?

    This, folks, is the "change" that The Obama and the Dems have brought to DC.
    How exactly does one proposal, from one guy, equate to "The Obama" and "the democrats" trying to do anything? Oh wait, it doesn't, and this thread is just another partisan hack job about something that is unlikely to happen.

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How exactly does one proposal, from one guy, equate to "The Obama" and "the democrats" trying to do anything? Oh wait, it doesn't, and this thread is just another partisan hack job about something that is unlikely to happen.
    Rather than attack me, why don't you opine on the good/bad idea that this is?

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    Re: Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Rather than attack me, why don't you opine on the good/bad idea that this is?
    I did not attack you, I attacked what you wrote. It's probably a bad idea, and I doubt it will pass. Now again, do you want to explain how you blamed Obama and democrats for a proposal from one democrat who is not Obama, or are you going to try and keep avoiding the question?

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