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Obama discusses deathbed measures

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Obama discusses deathbed measures - Los Angeles Times

Reporting from Washington -- President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.

In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."

He added: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said.

She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?"

Obama's grandmother died two days before he was elected president in November. It was unclear whether she underwent the hip-replacement surgery.

Huge kudos to Obama for having the balls to say what needs to be said on this. Here's hoping he takes it one step further and reminds people that egardless of the health care system we have, you're not entitled to all the health care that you want. Elder care is one of the biggest black holes in our current system, and needs to be fixed if any new system has any hope of succeeding.
 
Obama discusses deathbed measures - Los Angeles Times



Huge kudos to Obama for having the balls to say what needs to be said on this. Here's hoping he takes it one step further and reminds people that egardless of the health care system we have, you're not entitled to all the health care that you want. Elder care is one of the biggest black holes in our current system, and needs to be fixed if any new system has any hope of succeeding.

What bothers me is that the government gets the final decision on what treatment is acceptable. Of course, as it stands today, the insurance company is frequently the final decider. Whatever happened to the belief that the doctor is the most qualified to make these decisions?
 
What bothers me is that the government gets the final decision on what treatment is acceptable. Of course, as it stands today, the insurance company is frequently the final decider. Whatever happened to the belief that the doctor is the most qualified to make these decisions?

I dunno, it seems to me that a doctor would want a procedure to be done even if not necessary just to obtain more money.
 
What bothers me is that the government gets the final decision on what treatment is acceptable. Of course, as it stands today, the insurance company is frequently the final decider. Whatever happened to the belief that the doctor is the most qualified to make these decisions?

The only comment I would make to this is that I think you would have a much better likelihood that the doctor's input would be listened to if its not the insurance company who's bottom line profit is making the decision.
 
What bothers me is that the government gets the final decision on what treatment is acceptable. Of course, as it stands today, the insurance company is frequently the final decider. Whatever happened to the belief that the doctor is the most qualified to make these decisions?

Having had to deal with insurance companies and medical decisions for myself, and more notably for my dad as he was dying, I can say that anything would be preferable. Further, no matter how much bureaucracy the government would put on medical coverage, it does not touch what is there now. I am still dealing with my fathers old medical bills, all of which will, eventually, get paid by insurance, 4 years later after his death.

True funny story. I herniated a disc in my neck, which pinched a nerve in my right arm, making work unbearable. Doctor took me off work till I could get all the tests done and see specialist and get surgery. Insurance company turns me down for disability. I call my doctors office to request some information to be faxed to insurance agency, and I explained the situation to her. She tells me that they always turn people down first time out, just mention I was willing to bring in a lawyer if they did not approve me. I tried that and worked like a charm.
 
RightinNYC;1058104585[B said:
you're not entitled to all the health care that you want.[/B]
But....are you entitled to all the health care you can afford?
 
This is no surprise coming from Obama. It falls in line with some of the other ideas and actions he's taken so far. This will come under the heading Government enforced euthanasia.
Obama and no other person in his or any other Government position is remotely qualified to make type of decision. I we do it to our selves and fail it's attempted suicide. If we try to help a friend it's murder. But if Obama the butcher of Chicago comes up with the idea it's a cost saving measure that's good for the country.
Even a Muslim should recognize the fact that sometimes unexplainable recoveries happen from time to time when all hope is seemingly lost.
Whats next the forced killing of all children born with birth defects regardless of the parents wishes.
Are we on the path to Nazi style eugenics where we control human mating to create a master race. If so and Michelle Obama has her way white people need not apply.
I hope the Granola Liberals understand what this Mad Man has said and it meaning to their ill loved ones like Mom & Dad.
The is the sickest thing this "person" has said so far, but I fear it won't be the last or worst. This one clearly goes against the principles America has stood for as long as real Americans have been in charge.
 
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But....are you entitled to all the health care you can afford?

I believe that the right way to frame this question is to ask "Should the government have the right to ration health care?".
 
Having had to deal with insurance companies and medical decisions for myself, and more notably for my dad as he was dying, I can say that anything would be preferable. Further, no matter how much bureaucracy the government would put on medical coverage, it does not touch what is there now. I am still dealing with my fathers old medical bills, all of which will, eventually, get paid by insurance, 4 years later after his death.

True funny story. I herniated a disc in my neck, which pinched a nerve in my right arm, making work unbearable. Doctor took me off work till I could get all the tests done and see specialist and get surgery. Insurance company turns me down for disability. I call my doctors office to request some information to be faxed to insurance agency, and I explained the situation to her. She tells me that they always turn people down first time out, just mention I was willing to bring in a lawyer if they did not approve me. I tried that and worked like a charm.

It almost always does work that way, or so I've heard multiple times.
 
Logans Run was a cool show. No one ever got old because they killed them.
 
Yeah I hope ALL Obama supporters over the age of 18 are not granted any lifesaving procedures.
After all Obama said it..."if its not worth saving why bother".
Waste of government money.



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Government over the people in spite of the People!
 
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I dunno, it seems to me that a doctor would want a procedure to be done even if not necessary just to obtain more money.

Not necessarily. There are ethical issues in place. I have had doctors refuse to remove a cyst that wasn't bothering me because it wasn't necessary. They would have made money for doing it, but ethics won out.
 
Yeah I hope ALL Obama supporters over the age of 18 are not granted any lifesaving procedures.
After all Obama said it..."if its not worth saving why bother".
Waste of government money.



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Government over the people in spite of the People!

Do you actually have anything of substance to add?
 
Already did. Not my job to make you learn how to read.
Even has a picture.

If you have nothing to say in regards to what I said other then meaningless **** like that then keep it to yourself.


Reported for trolling.
 
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Already did. Not my job to make you learn how to read.
Even has a picture.

If you have nothing to say in regards to what I said other then meaningless **** like that then keep it to yourself.


Reported for trolling.

Not in this thread. All you did is troll, as you usually do, so I pointed it out. But please, tell us what your thoughts are on this, other than your typical, nonsensical "I wanna bash Obama and anyone who supports him" posts. Let's see if you have a real position on this issue.
 
Stop Trolling me trying to start an argument.

I gave my opinion.
I don't rightly give a **** if you don't find it up to your personal standard.





Reported for trying to further a troll into an argument.
 
Stop Trolling me trying to start an argument.

I gave my opinion.
I don't rightly give a **** if you don't find it up to your personal standard.





Reported for trying to further a troll into an argument.

Keep reporting. Since it is you that is trolling, YOU might be the one that receives consequences.

Now, lets see what your opinion is:
Yeah I hope ALL Obama supporters over the age of 18 are not granted any lifesaving procedures.
After all Obama said it..."if its not worth saving why bother".
Waste of government money.

So, what you are saying is that no Obama supporter over the age of 18 should be granted any life saving procedures...since they are not worth saving. Sounds like nothing of substance other than pure partisan hackery, and the indirect hope that Obama supporters die, or are not worth saving. Nothing to do with the thread topic. Nothing but a hyperpartisan attack and troll.

So, I ask again, do you have anything of substance you want to add? Do you think that folks who are on their deathbeds should receive treatment for ailments that will in no way assist or save their lives? That is what this thread is about...not whether you hate Obama and his supporter or not.

So, anything?
 
I dunno, it seems to me that a doctor would want a procedure to be done even if not necessary just to obtain more money.
I've worked with doctors. Usually I found that the impetus for extra tests was not extra profit, but avoidance of lawsuits.
 
I've worked with doctors. Usually I found that the impetus for extra tests was not extra profit, but avoidance of lawsuits.

Excellent point. I forgot about this. First thing they teach you in ethics class is CYA.
 
Don't threaten me while you troll me.

Reported again ..from now on I report it as harassment.

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Don't threaten me while you troll me.

Reported again ..from now on I report it as harassment.

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Currently, you are trolling. I understand that you do not like being challenged on your positions. If you do not want to answer my question, just say so and we will move on. But do not further troll this thread. Yes, consider that an "official" warning.
 
Yeah I hope ALL Obama supporters over the age of 18 are not granted any lifesaving procedures.
After all Obama said it..."if its not worth saving why bother".
Waste of government money.

You of course know that there is a difference between not doing lifesaving procedures, and not doing unnecessary procedures? I know you would never exaggerate nor use ridiculous hyperbole.
 
. . . I can say that anything would be preferable. . ..

Please take a moment to consider the Federal Tax Code. It has spawned an industry that offers trained employees just to help the average citizen pay routine annual taxes, and army of depicted lawyers to help companies try to decipher what the law says that they owe in corporate taxes.

I stress again that all of this effort is used to correctly file routine paperwork.

I can only surmise that the clerical requirements under any of the proposed systems which would be vastly more complicated.
 
Please take a moment to consider the Federal Tax Code. It has spawned an industry that offers trained employees just to help the average citizen pay routine annual taxes, and army of depicted lawyers to help companies try to decipher what the law says that they owe in corporate taxes.

I stress again that all of this effort is used to correctly file routine paperwork.

I can only surmise that the clerical requirements under any of the proposed systems which would be vastly more complicated.

I repeat, 4 years and I have not gotten all my fathers medical bills taken care of. I have 3 spiral notebooks on my desk to keep notes of every phonecall(one for each insurer). I am a college dropout, yet I can do my taxes no problem. Untangle insurance, not so much. Thank god for my fathers old union, who I can turn to every so often, and who does get things done for me on this.

Nothing quite as frustrating as calling one company on a bill, being told that another insurance company handles it, calling the other, being told the first handles it, asking them to call the first and explain this, and being told that they are not allowed to do that.
 
So lets see...

1. Trolling.
2. Further trolling.
3. Further trolling with insults and threats.
4. Further trolling with insults and threats and now an "official threat.(harassment)

I reported all of these I expect a mod to take action against him.
I do not expect to see this **** again.
 
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