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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I am really getting tired of the rightwing "slippery slope" arguments on every issue. You are dying of cancer with six months to live. Should you get hip replacement surgery, which takes every bit of six months to recover from? Somehow Councilman would like us to believe that if you don't have that surgery it constitutes euthenasia, and he quickly draws a line to Hitler. This type of response is juvenile, unhelpful, and irresponsible.
    So, have you ever tried guessing how the rational people feel about the flaming liberals who can't see the greased ramp but pretend their totally absurd irrelevant arguments have merit?

    I mean, most people dying of cancer are concerned about beating the disease, not going through hip replacement. Sure there might be the stray oddball, but guess what? The very BEST way to no worry about people seeking hip replacement surgery is to make people who want new hips fork over their own cash for the deal.

    Capitalism - the true grit that cures the slippery slope.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I'd doubt that, to be honest. In the UK at least, doctors and surgeons don't get paid per procedure; they just get a set yearly wage. Plus, performing unnecessary procedures is a brilliant way to end up being blacklisted or struck off as a doctor.
    Who gets to decide if the procedure is unnecessary?

    Is that decision made before or after the event?

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just something to point out but your not responsible for your fathers bills.

    The insurance company is, just forward them along.
    Does not the executor of the deceased's estate have to perform his task?

    But...four years seems like an awfully long time for a for-profit company to be chasing bills.

    Just imagine what it will be like with overpaid government clerks who think they're underpaid get involved.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Well why should we spend hundreds of thousand of dollars to get a 97 year old a heart transplant for them to die of natural causes in two years?! What benefit does a 97 year old give society? They live off social security and use our tax money for their health care with medicare and all that nonsense.
    Okay.

    Cite references showing that a 97 year old ever recieved someone's used heart, show that an 80 year old has recieved a used liver.

    Let's say the 80 year-old liver dude is a guy named Sophocles (he wrote either the Antigone or the Electra when he was almost 90), and the 24 year old was named Ted Bundy, who was thirty something when he was caught.

    OH! So you CAN'T predict real life issues, but you want the government to make those decisions anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Absolutely not! People would start lieing, and denieing they have certain conditions just so they can sell a kidney.
    That's valid enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    That would also be such a morality issue it would never pass in congress, same thing with the human euthanization.
    ?

    Congress is going to worry about "morality"? Hello? The left, especially people with Messianic Complexes, don't worry about morality, they say their aren't any moral absolutes, it's all conditional and relative.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I dunno, it seems to me that a doctor would want a procedure to be done even if not necessary just to obtain more money.
    Are our doctors that low a caliper of human beings ???
    If so, then our government should have much more say...
    The surviving spouse should be the prime determiner, with advice from his doctor.
    The government and insurance companies must stay out of it..
    But, this business of pumping money into a corpse must stop....

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Are our doctors that low a caliper of human beings ???
    If so, then our government should have much more say...
    The surviving spouse should be the prime determiner, with advice from his doctor.
    The government and insurance companies must stay out of it..
    But, this business of pumping money into a corpse must stop....

    Actually, the business of pumping my money into someone else's body must stop, even if they're not corpses.

    I don't owe them anything.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Actually, the business of pumping my money into someone else's body must stop, even if they're not corpses.

    I don't owe them anything.
    My problem with this is, I like to think I'm not cold-blooded enough to let someone die because they can't pay for repairs.

    And at the same time, I agree with you.

    In other words, I want to keep my cake and eat it as well.

    Can't be done.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What bothers me is that the government gets the final decision on what treatment is acceptable. Of course, as it stands today, the insurance company is frequently the final decider. Whatever happened to the belief that the doctor is the most qualified to make these decisions?
    it bothers me too. The government needs to stay out of it.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    But....are you entitled to all the health care you can afford?
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that the right way to frame this question is to ask "Should the government have the right to ration health care?".
    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    So let me get this straight. Obama talks about cutting costs.

    Now we find out exactly what he means by "cutting costs", which is grandma getting shut out of the healthcare she needs.

    Glad Obama clarified this.

    So by cutting costs, Obama means to ration healthcare.

    Eugenics sure has a funny way of creeping back into the mainstream again doesnt it?

    Government determining who is worthy of life and who is not. Didnt we fight a world war over this once before?
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    hmmm that is great and all, but I thought we were promised that the government wouldn't be deciding what treatment you or I need....


    This seems to suggest just the opposite, no?
    Of all the reasons to criticize Obama's health care proposal (and there are many), this isn't the best one.

    I haven't heard that any proposal would ban private doctors or otherwise prevent you or I from purchasing medical care that the government system did not cover. The only decision that government would have would be as to what it would choose to cover.
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