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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think under a government system, the incentive will be to not offer as much treatment to the elderly than to others merely because elderly are net tax users and not net tax payers.
    And thats how it should be, and it isn't today because the old are sick and need medicine so the pharamceutical companies run their schemes to get doctors to do all those tests on elderlies so they can give them ridiculously overpriced medicine that doesnt work for what its supposed to.


    I'm pretty sure Obama mentioned pharmaceutical reform somewhere in his healthcare plan.

    And honestly, why should an 80 year old person get a liver over a 25 year old. They shouldn't. There should be an age cuttoff to where you can either euthanize a human or give them enough medication to make them comfortable.

    And I am in full support of human euthanization.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Mandating end of life treatment is exactly deciding treatment!
    Well why should we spend hundreds of thousand of dollars to get a 97 year old a heart transplant for them to die of natural causes in two years?! What benefit does a 97 year old give society? They live off social security and use our tax money for their health care with medicare and all that nonsense.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Well why should we spend hundreds of thousand of dollars to get a 97 year old a heart transplant for them to die of natural causes in two years?! What benefit does a 97 year old give society? They live off social security and use our tax money for their health care with medicare and all that nonsense.



    So you are conceding, that it is indeed government making the medical decisions for the citizens.


    Thats all I am interested in right now. Remember, it was promised government would not be in control of your medical decisions.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    And thats how it should be, and it isn't today because the old are sick and need medicine so the pharamceutical companies run their schemes to get doctors to do all those tests on elderlies so they can give them ridiculously overpriced medicine that doesnt work for what its supposed to.

    I'm pretty sure Obama mentioned pharmaceutical reform somewhere in his healthcare plan.
    I only support repeals on extended patents and copyrights on medical procedures and medicines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    And honestly, why should an 80 year old person get a liver over a 25 year old. They shouldn't. There should be an age cuttoff to where you can either euthanize a human or give them enough medication to make them comfortable.

    And I am in full support of human euthanization.
    I don't support euthanization unless the person wishes it for them self or if they are never able to make that decision for them self.

    As for body parts, people should be able to sell them. It would increase supply so this wouldn't be as a much a concern.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Obama discusses deathbed measures - Los Angeles Times



    Huge kudos to Obama for having the balls to say what needs to be said on this. Here's hoping he takes it one step further and reminds people that egardless of the health care system we have, you're not entitled to all the health care that you want. Elder care is one of the biggest black holes in our current system, and needs to be fixed if any new system has any hope of succeeding.
    No one's "entitled" to any health care at all.

    If someone else has to provide it, it can't be a legislated entitlement.

    I refer you to the Thirteenth Amendment for clarification.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What bothers me is that the government gets the final decision on what treatment is acceptable. Of course, as it stands today, the insurance company is frequently the final decider. Whatever happened to the belief that the doctor is the most qualified to make these decisions?
    HillaryCare, 1993...."gee, the majority of health care expenses are incurred in the last six months of life".

    Chilling statement to anyone who can think about what the bean counters in a government run socialized health care plan will do. I've no idea why SO MANY damn idiots can believe that the people who gave us the DMV feel that the bureaucrats handling a trillion dollar budget for socialized medicine will care more about you than the fat clerk making you wait in line for two hours at the DMV does.

    And now we have a slimy tongued...er I guess that's silver-tongued Messiah saying, hey, why waste resources on people who are going to be dead soon anyway?

    And the fools that don't think are lapping it up in a spasm of orgiastic awe.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you are conceding, that it is indeed government making the medical decisions for the citizens.


    Thats all I am interested in right now. Remember, it was promised government would not be in control of your medical decisions.
    It is making medical decisions, but its not at the same time. They are simply deciding if its worth the country paying for someone to die in two years. And it isnt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't support euthanization unless the person wishes it for them self or if they are never able to make that decision for them self.
    Of course it would be up to the person or their medical proxy. I would never support doctors just saying, "Ok, were going to euthanize you now." without consulting the patient first.

    As for body parts, people should be able to sell them. It would increase supply so this wouldn't be as a much a concern.

    Absolutely not! People would start lieing, and denieing they have certain conditions just so they can sell a kidney.
    That would also be such a morality issue it would never pass in congress, same thing with the human euthanization.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    It is making medical decisions, but its not at the same time. They are simply deciding if its worth the country paying for someone to die in two years. And it isnt.

    Wow, is this a benefit to the single payer system? That the government can put a value on YOUR life?

    What about uhm, the promise that government would not be deciding?


    If it wasn't going to be a single payer system, I could at least by the insurance I want, no?


    This is draconian.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Of course it would be up to the person or their medical proxy. I would never support doctors just saying, "Ok, were going to euthanize you now." without consulting the patient first.
    Agreed.



    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Absolutely not! People would start lieing, and denieing they have certain conditions just so they can sell a kidney.
    That would also be such a morality issue it would never pass in congress, same thing with the human euthanization.
    Ever wonder why there are blood shortages?
    Because people are required to donate and not allowed to sell it.
    I refuse to donate blood, especially when the people that it is given to are charged more than what it takes to procure the donation.

    They could screen body parts for diseases before buying them. Its not a big deal.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Wow, is this a benefit to the single payer system? That the government can put a value on YOUR life?
    Sometimes its just not worth saving a life.

    And thats the only decision the government would make. The ability to deny care to people who shouldn't get it.

    What about uhm, the promise that government would not be deciding?
    Theyre deciding ONE thing. Wether it is worth saving a life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by President Barack Hussein Obama's Inaugural Address
    Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America — they will be met.
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