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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is no surprise coming from Obama. It falls in line with some of the other ideas and actions he's taken so far. This will come under the heading Government enforced euthanasia.
    Obama and no other person in his or any other Government position is remotely qualified to make type of decision. I we do it to our selves and fail it's attempted suicide. If we try to help a friend it's murder. But if Obama the butcher of Chicago comes up with the idea it's a cost saving measure that's good for the country.
    Even a Muslim should recognize the fact that sometimes unexplainable recoveries happen from time to time when all hope is seemingly lost.
    Whats next the forced killing of all children born with birth defects regardless of the parents wishes.
    Are we on the path to Nazi style eugenics where we control human mating to create a master race. If so and Michelle Obama has her way white people need not apply.
    I hope the Granola Liberals understand what this Mad Man has said and it meaning to their ill loved ones like Mom & Dad.
    The is the sickest thing this "person" has said so far, but I fear it won't be the last or worst. This one clearly goes against the principles America has stood for as long as real Americans have been in charge.
    I am really getting tired of the rightwing "slippery slope" arguments on every issue. You are dying of cancer with six months to live. Should you get hip replacement surgery, which takes every bit of six months to recover from? Somehow Councilman would like us to believe that if you don't have that surgery it constitutes euthenasia, and he quickly draws a line to Hitler. This type of response is juvenile, unhelpful, and irresponsible.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I am really getting tired of the rightwing "slippery slope" arguments on every issue. You are dying of cancer with six months to live. Should you get hip replacement surgery, which takes every bit of six months to recover from? Somehow Councilman would like us to believe that if you don't have that surgery it constitutes euthenasia, and he quickly draws a line to Hitler. This type of response is juvenile, unhelpful, and irresponsible.
    So is having a crystal ball telling someone they only have 6 months to live.

    Can you prove that? I am pretty sure people live alot longer then the average life expectancy or do you live in another universe?

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I dunno, it seems to me that a doctor would want a procedure to be done even if not necessary just to obtain more money.
    I'd doubt that, to be honest. In the UK at least, doctors and surgeons don't get paid per procedure; they just get a set yearly wage. Plus, performing unnecessary procedures is a brilliant way to end up being blacklisted or struck off as a doctor.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Stop Trolling me trying to start an argument.

    I gave my opinion.
    I don't rightly give a **** if you don't find it up to your personal standard.





    Reported for trying to further a troll into an argument.
    Doesn't looking to me like he is trying to further a troll into an argument. The troll is doing fine all by himself, and needs no help from anybody else.

    On a side note: Now THAT (What you posted) is a Freudian slip if I have ever seen one. LOL.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I repeat, 4 years and I have not gotten all my fathers medical bills taken care of. I have 3 spiral notebooks on my desk to keep notes of every phonecall(one for each insurer). I am a college dropout, yet I can do my taxes no problem. Untangle insurance, not so much. Thank god for my fathers old union, who I can turn to every so often, and who does get things done for me on this.

    Nothing quite as frustrating as calling one company on a bill, being told that another insurance company handles it, calling the other, being told the first handles it, asking them to call the first and explain this, and being told that they are not allowed to do that.
    Just something to point out but your not responsible for your fathers bills.

    The insurance company is, just forward them along.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Keep reporting. Since it is you that is trolling, YOU might be the one that receives consequences.

    Now, lets see what your opinion is:


    So, what you are saying is that no Obama supporter over the age of 18 should be granted any life saving procedures...since they are not worth saving. Sounds like nothing of substance other than pure partisan hackery, and the indirect hope that Obama supporters die, or are not worth saving. Nothing to do with the thread topic. Nothing but a hyperpartisan attack and troll.

    So, I ask again, do you have anything of substance you want to add? Do you think that folks who are on their deathbeds should receive treatment for ailments that will in no way assist or save their lives? That is what this thread is about...not whether you hate Obama and his supporter or not.

    So, anything?
    his post relates to the thread, all you are doing is attacking him. Not attacking his post, attacking him.

    YOU ARE TROLLING HERE

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Obama discusses deathbed measures - Los Angeles Times



    Huge kudos to Obama for having the balls to say what needs to be said on this. Here's hoping he takes it one step further and reminds people that egardless of the health care system we have, you're not entitled to all the health care that you want. Elder care is one of the biggest black holes in our current system, and needs to be fixed if any new system has any hope of succeeding.




    hmmm that is great and all, but I thought we were promised that the government wouldn't be deciding what treatment you or I need....


    This seems to suggest just the opposite, no?
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    hmmm that is great and all, but I thought we were promised that the government wouldn't be deciding what treatment you or I need....


    This seems to suggest just the opposite, no?
    I don't get the impression that it nescesarily means that the gov't would be deciding our treatment, but rather enforcing laws that would make government agencies review doctors notes and take them into consideration and then decide if treatment is worth the money and time, or just make someone comfortable.

    However, this is America, and we are full of a bunch of Americans who most of the time can't do anything cometently, so this will fail, but I think the plan is good.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    I don't get the impression that it nescesarily means that the gov't would be deciding our treatment, but rather enforcing laws that would make government agencies review doctors notes and take them into consideration and then decide if treatment is worth the money and time, or just make someone comfortable.

    However, this is America, and we are full of a bunch of Americans who most of the time can't do anything cometently, so this will fail, but I think the plan is good.
    The workers aren't.
    I think under a government system, the incentive will be to not offer as much treatment to the elderly than to others merely because elderly are net tax users and not net tax payers.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    I don't get the impression that it nescesarily means that the gov't would be deciding our treatment, but rather enforcing laws that would make government agencies review doctors notes and take them into consideration and then decide if treatment is worth the money and time, or just make someone comfortable.

    However, this is America, and we are full of a bunch of Americans who most of the time can't do anything cometently, so this will fail, but I think the plan is good.
    The workers aren't.


    Mandating end of life treatment is exactly deciding treatment!
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