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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The question is not how much bureaucracy government will put on medical coverage, but how much more bureaucracy will be added.

    That is the part of the Administration's thesis I find laughable: that a "public option" (government program) would have lower administrative costs. Government programs, if anything, are top heavy in administrative costs as arule; why would healthcare be any different.
    Ever deal with Medicaid? It is actually from the user end not bad, mostly pretty well handled and simple. Medicaid part B gets stupid, but for the most part, my stepmothers stuff I can handle with ease. Once she tops her deductibles, almost all the bills she gets are already paid.

    By the way, there is an assumption going on here that it is inevitable that the bureaucracy is going to get much worse. A well designed plan should not make it so. The question ofc is whether the plan the government comes up with will be well designed, and that is debatable. I don't think the comparison to the tax code is really fair, since the reason the tax code is so stupid, at least for individuals, is because of all the deductions, or so it seems to me.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

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    Obama discusses deathbed measuresFirst, insinuating ALL Obama voters are worthless is essentially trolling flamebait.

    Second, far to many posts without any substance and just whining about trolling. Next one has action taken.

    Third, I would advise people to get acquainted with the rules and the proper way to respond to issues. If you want to continue ignoring them then the reprucussions will come.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Obama discusses deathbed measures - Los Angeles Times



    Huge kudos to Obama for having the balls to say what needs to be said on this. Here's hoping he takes it one step further and reminds people that egardless of the health care system we have, you're not entitled to all the health care that you want. Elder care is one of the biggest black holes in our current system, and needs to be fixed if any new system has any hope of succeeding.
    So let me get this straight. Obama talks about cutting costs.

    Now we find out exactly what he means by "cutting costs", which is grandma getting shut out of the healthcare she needs.

    Glad Obama clarified this.

    So by cutting costs, Obama means to ration healthcare.

    Eugenics sure has a funny way of creeping back into the mainstream again doesnt it?

    Government determining who is worthy of life and who is not. Didnt we fight a world war over this once before?

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Logans Run was a cool show. No one ever got old because they killed them.
    Can we rename it "Obama's Run"?

    Nothing like killing people off b/c they are deemed unworthy by the government.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, what you are saying is that no Obama supporter over the age of 18 should be granted any life saving procedures...since they are not worth saving. Sounds like nothing of substance other than pure partisan hackery, and the indirect hope that Obama supporters die, or are not worth saving. Nothing to do with the thread topic. Nothing but a hyperpartisan attack and troll.
    I find his comment right on target actually.

    If the government can deem a certain segment of the population unfit to live life, in this case the elderly, why is it considered trolling to call for another segment of society to be done away with?

    If the people who support soft eugenics want to trumpet not caring for people who have the right to life, then its those people who have opened pandora's box into the deep, dark duldrums of mankind's deepest, innermost evils.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I've worked with doctors. Usually I found that the impetus for extra tests was not extra profit, but avoidance of lawsuits.
    That is the entire medical industry today. It is the 1st and foremost practice in medicine: do what you have to in order not to get sued.

    I have 2 doctors and a PA in my family. When doctors have meetings, its all about lawsuit control. One of my brothers has quit going to these meetings, b/c he says they are a waste of time b/c they dont ever talk about medicine, its all about government SOPs and regulations and bitching and moaning about those.

    The entire industry is nothing more then a stopgap at preventing lawsuits. Medicine isnt the primary reason for it anymore.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This happens with regularity. As a provider, I see this all the time. I am still waiting to be paid for services from two years ago. I have sent the information 6 times, to 4 different buildings and to the direct office of someone I spoke to. No one has ever "received" the information. This is the game they play in the hope that the provider/subscriber will just give up, allowing the insurance company to not have to pay for services. Happens all the time. In my practice we are owed thousands and thousands via scams like this. This is a big reason why many practitioners that I know are dropping out of most, if not all insurance plans.
    We just had a group of doctors here in town quit the hospital they were at and open up a quick care practice, that doesnt take insurance. If they need serious care, they refer them to a hospital, otherwise they are outside the insurance companies grasp. Also, no medicaid patients. Government is just as bad.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The question is not how much bureaucracy government will put on medical coverage, but how much more bureaucracy will be added.

    That is the part of the Administration's thesis I find laughable: that a "public option" (government program) would have lower administrative costs. Government programs, if anything, are top heavy in administrative costs as arule; why would healthcare be any different.
    Exactly. The idea the government wont have bloated admin costs is ridiculous. As the government itself is a bloated administration cost from the onset.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ever deal with Medicaid? It is actually from the user end not bad, mostly pretty well handled and simple. Medicaid part B gets stupid, but for the most part, my stepmothers stuff I can handle with ease. Once she tops her deductibles, almost all the bills she gets are already paid.

    By the way, there is an assumption going on here that it is inevitable that the bureaucracy is going to get much worse. A well designed plan should not make it so. The question ofc is whether the plan the government comes up with will be well designed, and that is debatable. I don't think the comparison to the tax code is really fair, since the reason the tax code is so stupid, at least for individuals, is because of all the deductions, or so it seems to me.
    Tell the doctors how wonderful Medicaid is.

    Medicaid is also in the process of going belly up.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that the right way to frame this question is to ask "Should the government have the right to ration health care?".
    As things stand now, the health insurance industry effectively rations health care under some circumstances.

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