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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

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    Don't threaten me while you troll me.

    Reported again ..from now on I report it as harassment.

    Currently, you are trolling. I understand that you do not like being challenged on your positions. If you do not want to answer my question, just say so and we will move on. But do not further troll this thread. Yes, consider that an "official" warning.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Yeah I hope ALL Obama supporters over the age of 18 are not granted any lifesaving procedures.
    After all Obama said it..."if its not worth saving why bother".
    Waste of government money.
    You of course know that there is a difference between not doing lifesaving procedures, and not doing unnecessary procedures? I know you would never exaggerate nor use ridiculous hyperbole.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    . . . I can say that anything would be preferable. . ..
    Please take a moment to consider the Federal Tax Code. It has spawned an industry that offers trained employees just to help the average citizen pay routine annual taxes, and army of depicted lawyers to help companies try to decipher what the law says that they owe in corporate taxes.

    I stress again that all of this effort is used to correctly file routine paperwork.

    I can only surmise that the clerical requirements under any of the proposed systems which would be vastly more complicated.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Please take a moment to consider the Federal Tax Code. It has spawned an industry that offers trained employees just to help the average citizen pay routine annual taxes, and army of depicted lawyers to help companies try to decipher what the law says that they owe in corporate taxes.

    I stress again that all of this effort is used to correctly file routine paperwork.

    I can only surmise that the clerical requirements under any of the proposed systems which would be vastly more complicated.
    I repeat, 4 years and I have not gotten all my fathers medical bills taken care of. I have 3 spiral notebooks on my desk to keep notes of every phonecall(one for each insurer). I am a college dropout, yet I can do my taxes no problem. Untangle insurance, not so much. Thank god for my fathers old union, who I can turn to every so often, and who does get things done for me on this.

    Nothing quite as frustrating as calling one company on a bill, being told that another insurance company handles it, calling the other, being told the first handles it, asking them to call the first and explain this, and being told that they are not allowed to do that.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    So lets see...

    1. Trolling.
    2. Further trolling.
    3. Further trolling with insults and threats.
    4. Further trolling with insults and threats and now an "official threat.(harassment)

    I reported all of these I expect a mod to take action against him.
    I do not expect to see this **** again.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I repeat, 4 years and I have not gotten all my fathers medical bills taken care of. I have 3 spiral notebooks on my desk to keep notes of every phonecall(one for each insurer). I am a college dropout, yet I can do my taxes no problem. Untangle insurance, not so much. Thank god for my fathers old union, who I can turn to every so often, and who does get things done for me on this.

    Nothing quite as frustrating as calling one company on a bill, being told that another insurance company handles it, calling the other, being told the first handles it, asking them to call the first and explain this, and being told that they are not allowed to do that.
    This happens with regularity. As a provider, I see this all the time. I am still waiting to be paid for services from two years ago. I have sent the information 6 times, to 4 different buildings and to the direct office of someone I spoke to. No one has ever "received" the information. This is the game they play in the hope that the provider/subscriber will just give up, allowing the insurance company to not have to pay for services. Happens all the time. In my practice we are owed thousands and thousands via scams like this. This is a big reason why many practitioners that I know are dropping out of most, if not all insurance plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that the right way to frame this question is to ask "Should the government have the right to ration health care?".
    It is certainly one way to frame the question. Another way is "what is the most efficient/most equitable means of allocating healthcare resources?"

    It is the elephant in the living room for every healthcare debate. There is no way to avoid the cold reality that healthcare must be purchased. The doctor must make a living; likewise the pharmacist, the hospital, and every other professional involved in healthcare. Regardless of the healthcare scheme, they must be paid.

    Do people waste money on deathbed measures that ultimately do little to either prolong life or enhance quality of life? Quite possibly, even probably. Going gently into that good night is not our way, as a rule.

    However, if it is their money, who is government, or anyone else, to say that they should not waste it thus? Bank accounts are just not that helpful to dead people, so why shouldn't people spend their last dime grasping for one more second of life if that is their desire?

    Naturally, the rebuttal is that, because of insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid, the money spent is not the patient's money, but other people's money. What claim does any patient have on another person's money to sustain life to the absolute bitter end?

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    So lets see...

    1. Trolling.
    2. Further trolling.
    3. Further trolling with insults and threats.
    4. Further trolling with insults and threats and now an "official threat.(harassment)

    I reported all of these I expect a mod to take action against him.
    I do not expect to see this **** again.
    Tell you what. I will do something about it.

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    Obama discusses deathbed measuresI've already warned you once. Either post on topic, or cease this behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Further, no matter how much bureaucracy the government would put on medical coverage, it does not touch what is there now.
    The question is not how much bureaucracy government will put on medical coverage, but how much more bureaucracy will be added.

    That is the part of the Administration's thesis I find laughable: that a "public option" (government program) would have lower administrative costs. Government programs, if anything, are top heavy in administrative costs as arule; why would healthcare be any different.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Tell you what. I will do something about it.

    Moderator's Warning:
    Obama discusses deathbed measuresI've already warned you once. Either post on topic, or cease this behavior.
    Stop trolling me.... Stop insulting me... Stop trying to start an argument..Stop harassing me.

    You're now entering abusive.

    You started this crap..you continued this crap after it became clear I was not going to respond to you. I warned you from the start and reported you multiple times. I asked you to stop from the beginning.

    ..and what do you do..
    ...threaten me with whatever because of your actions.
    Last edited by Triad; 06-26-09 at 04:35 AM.

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