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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    I think I'm gonna be sick

    Talk about blatant ageism.

    First off, in the the heart transplant scenario you mentioned, there's a good chance the 97 year old would be disqualified for surgery because of other health conditions that would make general anesthesia dangerous. But suppose that person is healthy enough to undergo transplant surgery and a donor heart is found? If that person and their family deem the benefits greater than the risks of the procedure, who the hell is anyone to say they're not deserving of their right to live if that treatment would save their life? That donor heart isn't going to do anyone else any good if it doesn't match another recipient on the transplant list or if the other match can't be cleared for the procedure.

    You suggest that the elderly are parasites living off the rest of us. It's a damn good thing your parents and grandparents didn't feel that way about their own children. Those people have contributed to society all their lives, and now just because their bodies are wearing out, some people want to throw them away like so much garbage. What a selfish, ungrateful attitude! You say that the elderly aren't worth saving; that they aren't important enough because they don't contribute to society. I suggest asking those whose lives were touched by the good that these people have done over the years how important they think that person is.
    Bravo........

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    I think I'm gonna be sick

    Talk about blatant ageism.

    First off, in the the heart transplant scenario you mentioned, there's a good chance the 97 year old would be disqualified for surgery because of other health conditions that would make general anesthesia dangerous. But suppose that person is healthy enough to undergo transplant surgery and a donor heart is found? If that person and their family deem the benefits greater than the risks of the procedure, who the hell is anyone to say they're not deserving of their right to live if that treatment would save their life? That donor heart isn't going to do anyone else any good if it doesn't match another recipient on the transplant list or if the other match can't be cleared for the procedure.
    You're confusing the question of whether someone has the right to decide to have an expensive procedure with whether someone has the right to decide to have an expensive procedure paid for by everyone else.

    Nearly every disease has some particular type of treatment that is very expensive and provides some small amount of benefit. Nobody is entitled to things like that.

    You suggest that the elderly are parasites living off the rest of us. It's a damn good thing your parents and grandparents didn't feel that way about their own children. Those people have contributed to society all their lives, and now just because their bodies are wearing out, some people want to throw them away like so much garbage. What a selfish, ungrateful attitude! You say that the elderly aren't worth saving; that they aren't important enough because they don't contribute to society. I suggest asking those whose lives were touched by the good that these people have done over the years how important they think that person is.
    And that's all well and good, but if we try to have a health care plan organized around being kind to those who are really sweet and elderly, it's going to fall apart immediately.

    Any system where people take far more out than they put in is unsustainable.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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