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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

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    You speak myth.
    Nope. Absolutely true. Like I said, I remember the old days of waiting for 3 hours in the Springfield DMV's waiting room, on those absolutely painfully uncomfortable chairs, just to get my simple car registration renewed. Last year I went for my picture driver's license renewal...at Springfield...on Thursday night, the one night they were open (at least that was the night, then...I don't think the do nights anymore). Took me less than 30 minutes. I was pretty impressed at their efficiency.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nope. Absolutely true. Like I said, I remember the old days of waiting for 3 hours in the Springfield DMV's waiting room, on those absolutely painfully uncomfortable chairs, just to get my simple car registration renewed. Last year I went for my picture driver's license renewal...at Springfield...on Thursday night, the one night they were open (at least that was the night, then...I don't think the do nights anymore). Took me less than 30 minutes. I was pretty impressed at their efficiency.
    I recently did my car registration down town and it took about 5 minutes. I even forgot my paperwork.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I disagree, any control is a gateway to total control.

    Single payer means, one payer, meaning one entity dictates who and how doctors see.
    Are they proposing to require all doctors to work within the plan?
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    The government won't decide for you what tests are necessary and what ones aren't. That is not what universal health care is. The government is not operating on a profit incentive so you won't be hounded as much as with the private insurance companies. Publically paid health services will be clearly laid out with little deviation. If you want the test and it's covered, then you get the tests. There are no deductibles, pre-existing condition clauses, or scams.

    Furthermore, UHC won't replace private insurance. You will still be able to supplement health care with your private plan, but UHC would create healthy competition which would challenge the private companies to be less draconian in their corporate policy. As of now they have the monopoly on your health. UHC may also partially cover certain things, while the balance is deferred to the insurance company. When dealing with a lesser payout, the insurance companies may become more relaxed.

    I think Obama's statement on geriatric care and unlimited use of the system is a good point. Too many people are just on life support even though their end is pretty much guaranteed. I do believe though that part of health care and cutting long term costs lies in preventative care, something that the current insurance system in the U.S. does not support as readily. Most people wait until they are ill to see a doctor and that is when costs rise for everybody.

    With cancer, I don't think it's acceptable to say that just because a person has been given six months that they will definitely die after six months, and therefore shouldn't get hip replacement. The time estimates given by oncologists are ball park ones based on statistics only, and a lot of people defy these.

    It depends on the case, but generally I wouldn't recommend hip replacement anyway because most major surgery compromises the body's immune system and bodily resources for months upon months. If someone is terminally ill, then they are shortening the quality of life that they have left.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Of all the reasons to criticize Obama's health care proposal (and there are many), this isn't the best one.

    I haven't heard that any proposal would ban private doctors or otherwise prevent you or I from purchasing medical care that the government system did not cover. The only decision that government would have would be as to what it would choose to cover.
    There is no way the private insurance companies can compete with a free government plan.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Another possible theory: A public plan will by design attract those whose care is the most costly. The practical result of this might be a decrease in the average consumer cost on private plans, which could lead to a decrease in private plan cost.
    And the extra costs assumed by the public plan will be transferred to the tax payers, thus negating any decrease in the aggregate price of private health insurance.

    All systems maintain equilibrium. Transferring a burden to one sector of a system will not alleviate the system of the burden.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There is no way the private insurance companies can compete with a free government plan.
    If they're not covering the same thing, then of course they could compete. Or, if the government plan is not a universally free plan, same story.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If they're not covering the same thing, then of course they could compete. Or, if the government plan is not a universally free plan, same story.
    So, the private health insurance industry can just pick at the scraps falling off the government's table?

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, the private health insurance industry can just pick at the scraps falling off the government's table?
    I'm not sure why you think I'm advocating for this. I'm just pointing out that "they won't let me get the healthcare I want" isn't the best criticism.
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