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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Of all the reasons to criticize Obama's health care proposal (and there are many), this isn't the best one.
    I disagree, any control is a gateway to total control.


    I haven't heard that any proposal would ban private doctors or otherwise prevent you or I from purchasing medical care that the government system did not cover. The only decision that government would have would be as to what it would choose to cover.


    Single payer means, one payer, meaning one entity dictates who and how doctors see.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I disagree, any control is a gateway to total control.
    But that gate doesn't have to be opened. Just because it's there doesn't mean it gets used. We have plenty of controls that stay right where they are. These are scare tactics, Reverend, but they don't hold water. There are better ways to go after one-payer systems.

    Single payer means, one payer, meaning one entity dictates who and how doctors see.
    Possibly. Depends on how regulations were set up. If they use the current private insurance model, you are correct, and it would be a disaster.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    But that gate doesn't have to be opened. Just because it's there doesn't mean it gets used. We have plenty of controls that stay right where they are. These are scare tactics, Reverend, but they don't hold water. There are better ways to go after one-payer systems.

    are you suggesting I derail this thread? (it is about this aspect no?)



    Possibly. Depends on how regulations were set up. If they use the current private insurance model, you are correct, and it would be a disaster.


    they are going to run the private co's out of business.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    are you suggesting I derail this thread? (it is about this aspect no?)
    No, I don't think that is what I was saying.

    they are going to run the private co's out of business.
    Personally, I say good. If there isn't a whole lot of regulation put in place so that the private insurance companies stop some of their unethical practices, I'll do an Irish jig the day they all close up shop.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, I don't think that is what I was saying.
    weren't you telling me that discussing this aspect about the health disaster plan was a scare tactic?



    Personally, I say good. If there isn't a whole lot of regulation put in place so that the private insurance companies stop some of their unethical practices, I'll do an Irish jig the day they all close up shop.


    Hmm, so what do we do with the thousands unemployed so you and I can get DMV style health care?
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    weren't you telling me that discussing this aspect about the health disaster plan was a scare tactic?
    Making the slippery slope argument that any control is a gateway to total control is a scare tactic. I just pointed it out. I don't think you were derailing. I think you were making a logical fallacy...so I exposed it.


    Hmm, so what do we do with the thousands unemployed so you and I can get DMV style health care?
    I have had to deal with the DMV a bit, lately, and am very happy with the service I have been receiving. Be that as it may, all those unemployed can go work for whatever new health care system we have. They'll have experience, so training shouldn't be so tough. They'll just have to be retrained on ethics and on regulations. Other than that, a pretty seemless transition, I would think.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Making the slippery slope argument that any control is a gateway to total control is a scare tactic. I just pointed it out. I don't think you were derailing. I think you were making a logical fallacy...so I exposed it.

    Ahh ok. i see. Still, its something we should consider.



    I have had to deal with the DMV a bit, lately, and am very happy with the service I have been receiving. Be that as it may, all those unemployed can go work for whatever new health care system we have. They'll have experience, so training shouldn't be so tough. They'll just have to be retrained on ethics and on regulations. Other than that, a pretty seemless transition, I would think.



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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Ahh ok. i see. Still, its something we should consider.
    Anything's possible. Never a good idea to present some of these as more than possibilities. Just saying.

    Have you had the pleasure of going to the wayne regional office?
    Many times. In and out in 10-15 minutes with issues resolved efficiently and quickly. I remember the old days...20 years or so ago waiting for hours either in Wayne or Springfield. I needed to hit 3 DMVs in one day for a variety of reasons, recently. Accomplished it and got everything taken care of in about 2 hours including driving time which was the bulk of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Anything's possible. Never a good idea to present some of these as more than possibilities. Just saying.

    Many times. In and out in 10-15 minutes with issues resolved efficiently and quickly. I remember the old days...20 years or so ago waiting for hours either in Wayne or Springfield. I needed to hit 3 DMVs in one day for a variety of reasons, recently. Accomplished it and got everything taken care of in about 2 hours including driving time which was the bulk of it.



    upstairs or down, what time did you get there. its still a madhouse depending on your business there.
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    Re: Obama discusses deathbed measures

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    upstairs or down, what time did you get there. its still a madhouse depending on your business there.
    Upstairs. When I got there, the line was half way down the steps. The line moved pretty fast; I was at the counter in about 5 minutes or so. Then I waited on the line to see one of the service people or whatever they're called. Took about 5-7 minutes in line. The woman I saw handled the issue pretty quickly after asking me a few questions. This was on a pretty busy Saturday, late morning. Another time, about a week later, I went on a Monday morning. Things moved faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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