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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It was?

    The United States expelled a repressive murderous dictator and enabled the people of that country to write a democratic constitution and implement other democratic reforms that have resulted in a young democracy of free people where once a totalitarian regime of slaves held sway.

    And you're feeling disgraced about that?

    No wonder Neville Chamberlain could get away with selling Czechoslovakia to Hitler.
    US is sure as hell selective in the countries it decides to save.

    Zimbabwe? Where is US in that?
    Where is US in Darfur?

    Are they not repressive murderous dictators??


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Every day, ten times as many are slaughtered in places like Rwanda or Darfur.

    just sayin'
    People like winners, and the People of Iran exemplify that by not just taking what the "Great" Ayottolas giving them. They are standing up for themselves to throw of the yoke of oppression, something all Americans should respect.


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    They are standing up for themselves to throw of the yoke of oppression, something all Americans should respect.
    They have all my respect.

    But i still will not support any form of UK interference with Iran.
    Do we get their oil if we invade?


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Although it is easy to sympathize with the Iranians, it is not in the U.S. interest to get involved in the conflict.
    Iran has oil, they sit on one side of the Straits of Hormuz, they share a border with Afghanistan, and they have nuclear technology. If they do not already have the capacity to manufacture nuclear weapons they will in the very near future.

    Iran is not a country the world can afford to ignore indefinitely. U.S interest, international interest, is for stable and largely peaceful government in Iran. Democracy is preferred but not mandatory.

    A destabilized Iran is a danger to everyone. Other nations can look away only so long before this becomes a matter of international concern.

    That backing the protesters means standing up for our own political ideals and heritage is a pleasant bonus. Sometimes you get lucky that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Practically speaking, the youth have little chance if they turn to violence, even with our support. The moment we offer aid, Khamenei will declare proof of American interference and brand the protesters as collaborators of western imperialists, then call in the revolutionary guard. The revolutionary guard is political army designed to deal with this sort of situation and are loyal to the current regime. Counterinsurgency is a very different game when you are content to use wide-scale slaughter and intimidation to win. In the end, it is likely that the current regime will stay in power and have a serious bone to pick with us. Furthermore, it would be yet more ammunition for the radicals who claim we are evil imperialists out to destroy the Muslim world.
    Read the news. Khamenei is already hurling those accusations, is already calling out the Revolutionary Guard and the Basij militias. He's already shot that bolt.

    Yes, if we arm the insurgents they might lose, and we might be faced with a hostile Iran. If we do nothing the insurgents might lose and we might be faced with a slightly less hostile Iran.

    Or we arm the insurgents, they win, and we have a friendly Iran.

    It is a risk, but if the violence is increasing, the risk is small and growing smaller, while the reward large and getting larger.

    The time to gamble may very well be now.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Ultimately, it is not the role of the U.S. to use weapons to promote democracy in the world. We have ignored hundreds of other instances of the people being attacked by there governments, and there is no reason to get involved this time either.
    True enough. We have no interest in "promoting democracy." We do have interest in promoting stable government in strategically situated nations with nuclear ambitions

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    They have all my respect.

    But i still will not support any form of UK interference with Iran.
    Do we get their oil if we invade?

    Invasion would be foolish, getting involved through goverments is not going to help the Iranian people. They do require our mental and emotional support. Its time for the people to fight for their own interest without any cloud of percieved outside interference.


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    US is sure as hell selective in the countries it decides to save.
    So?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Zimbabwe? Where is US in that?
    Far away.

    Where's jolly old england amid the throes of it's former colony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Where is US in Darfur?
    Not our problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Are they not repressive murderous dictators??
    Welcome to the proper use of the word "choice".

    Since the United States is NOT the World's Cop, we get to choose where we go.

    It's part of the fun of living in a free country.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Invasion would be foolish, getting involved through goverments is not going to help the Iranian people. They do require our mental and emotional support.
    Economics is the only weapon we have and Europe is the one with the power not US.
    The majority of Iran's economy is dependent on Europe, we should just cut them off .... but it may bring up oil prices. Oh well, isn't that heartbreaking? Lets cut off the oil and allow some people dump the cars for healthy walking.


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So?


    Then US or anyone in the West cannot claim to be helping another country by overthrowing a 'dictatorous' regime because sweetheart, there are more than one in this world.
    Do we plan to go get every single one? What made Iraq more worthy of democracy than any other country in this world under a dictator?


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    People like winners, and the People of Iran exemplify that by not just taking what the "Great" Ayottolas giving them. They are standing up for themselves to throw of the yoke of oppression, something all Americans should respect.
    I'm not sure how I feel about setting foreign policy based on what would make the best Lifetime made-for-TV movie.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Really? Because I seem to remember the Ayatollah losing his entire family when Reagan ordered his assassination and we dropped bombs on his house.
    A response is definitely needed. Funneling weapons is the only way at this point. Not even Reagan the Great would risk open war in Iran, while trying to hold Iraq together. That destabization would be catastrophic. Of course, once the oil supply is threatened and oil prices sky rocket during this global recession, everyone will be stepping in.

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