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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    And why is England in countries that have been keeping the peace?
    We still have a commonwealth, our soldiers are spread out and expanded beyond its limit

    Why not?
    I'd rather Soldiers be used to ensure peace not kill others and invade and bomb a country ... for oil


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I dunno...I've always assumed occupation of Iraq was a staging ground for dealing with Iran when the time came.
    Could you imagine the uproar that would have happened if anyone had pointed that out at the time?

    Not that going into Iraq was a sane idea, but moving troops to the Iranian border at least made sense where nothing else said did.

    Naturally, the Democrats in Congress voted to invade Iraq. If someone had presented a sensible idea they probably would have voted against it.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We still have a commonwealth, our soldiers are spread out and expanded beyond its limit

    Why not?
    I'd rather Soldiers be used to ensure peace not kill others and invade and bomb a country ... for oil
    Never mind, really, the pun wasn't worth responding to. Honest.

    Nobody is going into Darfur because they're black.

    Oh.

    I said it.

    Oops.

    They'll be a-knocking on my door now...

    Actually, no one gives a crap about Darfur because Somalia isn't the heart of the middle east, the problems are different and intractible, the population is too primitive, and the US remembers Somalia and Clinton without any fondness.

    It's in the US's interest to manhandle countries that are exporting terrorism that bothers our citizens, Darfur is just a stationary ulcer, contained but untreatable. So Bush decided to deal with the cancerous nations first.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    In all seriousness, though, Iraq was a worthy cause. It's not Saddam didn't repeatedly posture himself as having WMD's and threatened to destabilize the entire region.

    He may not have actually had them, but he postured as if he did. And he did have a record of using WMD's in the forms of gases on the Kurds in an effort to exterminate them.

    The oil is just an added kickback that sweetened the deal enough to go through with it. I'm glad we did.
    Iraq was a utter disgrace.
    And by our actions we did not destabilize the ME? Hell, we can pat ourselves in the back on raising a generation of potential terrorists. Great going.
    We completley decimated whatever moral ground the West had.
    We were no better than other countries we preach all the time on human rights and democracy.
    Democracy didn't exactly save the thousands which died in Iraq as a result of our unjustified attack on another country.
    Nor has the resulting abuses of human rights, torture etc.
    And no amount of oil was worth the soldiers that was killed and hurt by the war. Nor will it be any comfort to the family of those killed

    Bringing up Kurds mean little to me.
    Thousands are be dead in Darfur. I recall when i was studying History, after the Holocaust the world in unity said 'Never again'. Clearly we did not learn our lesson if we stand back and allow such human casulties to occur with barely a passing glance.

    It is utterly disgraceful for UK and US to actually act like it was something special or be happy about
    It is nothing for our country to be proud, nor our Politicans nor the Army.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If US or UK were clever which we weren't, we would have bribed Saddam to be on side. Iran/Iraq were enemies and Saddam despised anything Iranian. Why did we not use Saddam as a buffer? Or use his country as a base for our soldiers? Give Saddam weapons to keep Iran in check?
    Hello?

    Never heard of Kuwait?

    The Gulf War?

    Hmmm?

    We used Iraq quite successfully to keep looney Iran in check for almost a decade, then the policy stopped working.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Actually, no one gives a crap about Darfur because Somalia isn't the heart of the middle east, the problems are different and intractible, the population is too primitive, and the US remembers Somalia and Clinton without any fondness.
    I have a feeling Somalia will be more in the spotlight with the infiltration of Al Qaeda and Taliban-like Sharia and soldiers.

    Ethiopia will be attacked eventually ... isn't that the ally of US?


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    If the beaten protestors were members of the UAW, Obama would take action immeditely (or as soon as he gets back from his Luau).

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Iraq was a utter disgrace.
    It was?

    The United States expelled a repressive murderous dictator and enabled the people of that country to write a democratic constitution and implement other democratic reforms that have resulted in a young democracy of free people where once a totalitarian regime of slaves held sway.

    And you're feeling disgraced about that?

    No wonder Neville Chamberlain could get away with selling Czechoslovakia to Hitler.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's it. Upon confirmation of these reports, we should be willing to send military assistance into Iran. If that's the way it's going to be, arm the protestors with American weapons and join the fight. I don't really see much else we can do if all this is true.
    Go to war with Iraq over a government hurting its own people? Why not militarily invade the entire earth?

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Every day, ten times as many are slaughtered in places like Rwanda or Darfur.

    just sayin'
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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