"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Bonaparte was useful when every foreign armies were waging wars on France to try to end the Republic; the Kings and Queens of Europe loathed the Revolution just like some of you still do today. If you ask me would I do the Revolution again my answer is yes.
Robespierre himself has killed less people than Johnson, Nixon or Dubya; and what did any of your grand Presidents achieved in Vietnam or Iraq aside from removing their own sorry butts? Would you please give us your first hand impressions would you do it again?
Last edited by paris; 06-29-09 at 06:18 PM.
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
-Gaius Julius Caesar
The Only Thing to Fear is Fear Itself.
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second of all it is Napoleon himself that destroyed what little Rebulicanism that was there when he overthrew the Constitution of 1795 and it was he that was waging war against Europe. Napoleon did the same exact thing that Hitler did in the Weimar Republic IE destroyed it then proceeded engaging in an aggressive war of imperialist expansionism.
Napoleon was a king.the Kings and Queens of Europe loathed the Revolution just like some of you still do today.
And would you likewise say yes to the reign of terror?If you ask me would I do the Revolution again my answer is yes.
Johnson and Nixon were engaged in a war against Communist expansionism, Ho Chi Mihn killed more people both before and after U.S. intervention than the U.S. ever did but of course his "revolution" followed the Robespierre model.Robespierre himself has killed less people than Johnson, Nixon or Dubya; and what did any of your grand Presidents achieved in Vietnam or Iraq aside from removing their own sorry butts? Would you please give us your first hand impressions would you do it again?
As to Iraq we have achieved an actual Constitutional Republican system of governance that has actually lasted longer than the first French so called Republic.
I have answered your question but you have not told me, would you do the Vietnam and Iraq wars all over again considering Johnson, Nixon and Bush are bigger mass murderers than Robespierre?
I enjoy your interest in history and your focus on France but could you tell about all the people who died at the hands of the US gouvernment, perhaps you could start with the Native Americans?
As for your comparisons, care to speculate how many people would have died if Robespierre had access to machine guns?
BTW, fighting valid wars against an enemy and having collateral damage (Bush and Vietnam Presidents) is different from ignighting a campaign of violence against your own citizens.
There is really no excuse for our treatment of the Indians, but they at least weren't our citizens unlike the targets of Robespierre's Great Terror.
“Justitia suum cuique distribuit” Justice renders to every one his due
Roughly 40,000 people were executed during the reign of terror which lasted one year. I think Robespierre takes the award for most prolific mass murderer between them since all the others were prosecuting wars and not lining their own citizens up for beheading.
A people displaced by social advancement. Yes, it was a tragic thing, that whole sordid affair. However, it is not as if America was the first to so so and I do believe when it started we were still colonies of Europe. Yes, that means the French are just as complicit in the whole mess.I enjoy your interest in history and your focus on France but could you tell about all the people who died at the hands of the US gouvernment, perhaps you could start with the Native Americans?
Perhaps by your logic you could also come to the conclusion that the French Revolution started because of France's involvment in the American Revolution and share some responsibility for our dead too?