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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    you are so hypocritical.
    Sometimes, I probably am. This is not one of those times.

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    What would you rather do, huh? Sit back and wait for thousands more to die? Who are YOU to say they shouldn'tbe helped, or prevented??????????
    Do your homework.

    What I have said, and what should be done:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058095547

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058099623

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058095944

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058095297

    It may not satisfy your adolescent thirst for blood, but the rhetorical guns right now are the best chance to keep the use of real guns to a minimum.

    Military intervention may become necessary, but it is not yet so, and no good man who desires justice for this world or the next ever wishes that it become so.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Sometimes, I probably am. This is not one of those times.



    Do your homework.

    What I have said, and what should be done:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058095547

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058099623

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058095944

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058095297

    It may not satisfy your adolescent thirst for blood, but the rhetorical guns right now are the best chance to keep the use of real guns to a minimum.

    Military intervention may become necessary, but it is not yet so, and no good man who desires justice for this world or the next ever wishes that it become so.
    Not so much a thirst for blood as one for action. I hate people who do nothing, or act inadequately. Bush: Katrina,Economic. Obama: Iran, GM, AIG.

    The problem is, we aren't dealing with a democracy over there. We are dealing with essentially a dictatorship. The ayatollah is in charge, the opposition has been arrested, and shut down, and the people have been killed. The last time few times something like this happened, we ended up with the Korean War ( Kim Il Jung), and more notably, WWII ( Hitler).

    I'd rather not take a chance with something like this, and would rather shut them down before anything worse happens.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    No, it's not.

    This is about a portion of the Iranian people protesting/rioting/rebelling against the entities you mention.

    Discussions about what the USA will or will not do is a related issue which is also under duscussion.

    If we just up and killed the religious leader and his puppets, we would likely have the people of Iran pissed at us, and besides, others would likely step into their place. A change in the government system in Iran might prevent such incidents from occuring again.
    I agree mostly. Iran needs more change than just killing a couple regime leaders. They need real change, change that involves setting up a new system of government. There is much more work to be done in Iran besides shooting a couple of nut jobs. I think action should be taken to end this injustice, but I would hope that this could be solved peacefully. The regime must be brought down, I just hope we use military strength as a last result. People are dying now, and so we must act quickly to save as many lives as possible.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

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    The problem is, we aren't dealing with a democracy over there. We are dealing with essentially a dictatorship. The ayatollah is in charge, the opposition has been arrested, and shut down, and the people have been killed. The last time few times something like this happened, we ended up with the Korean War ( Kim Il Jung), and more notably, WWII ( Hitler).
    The problem is, we are dealing with a sovereign nation. The Islamic Republic is theocratic, is with North Korea the axis of evil, is an odious and detestable exporter of terrorism, but it is a sovereign nation. It is recognized as the legitimate government of Iran, regardless of our opinions as to its character. Intervention is not merely aid to the Iranian people--it is war. Your solution to Iran's internal turmoil is international war.

    You call for war where the case for war has not been made. You call for a war that may happen, perhaps is likely to happen, but which is not yet inevitable. You call for a war that will send good men and women to horrible deaths.

    You call for a war you are too young to fight.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    What would you rather do, huh? Sit back and wait for thousands more to die? Who are YOU to say they shouldn'tbe helped, or prevented??????????
    How many thousands are going to die to save those thousands? Ever really seen a war? Smart bombs are awesome, but collateral damage happens. Know what collateral damage is? It's women and children in the wrong place, at the wrong time, blown to little pieces. And that is an inevitability in warfare.

    In addition to all those Iranians we would kill in order to save them, how many US soldiers are going to die in the fight. This may make me a bad person, but I value the lives of those soldiers one whole hell of a lot more than I do any Iranian. I am not even going to apologize for that, it's just how I am.

    Lastly, how long would it take us to gather a force large enough to win in Iran? Could we even get in there and invade in time to save any one?

    It is one of the strengths of the young that they find causes worth fighting over, and they want to see good done in the world. I applaud you for that. It's the role of those who are older, who have seen war and have some experience to temper the innate rashness of youth.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The problem is, we are dealing with a sovereign nation. The Islamic Republic is theocratic, is with North Korea the axis of evil, is an odious and detestable exporter of terrorism, but it is a sovereign nation. It is recognized as the legitimate government of Iran, regardless of our opinions as to its character. Intervention is not merely aid to the Iranian people--it is war. Your solution to Iran's internal turmoil is international war.

    You call for war where the case for war has not been made. You call for a war that may happen, perhaps is likely to happen, but which is not yet inevitable. You call for a war that will send good men and women to horrible deaths.

    You call for a war you are too young to fight.
    You want to wait for the government in Iran to solve things on its own? I want to snuff out the problem at it's root: the "leaders" of Iran.

    What I am calling for, is one B-2 to fly some 30,000 ft above Iran, and drop maybe 15 or so smart bombs.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How many thousands are going to die to save those thousands? Ever really seen a war? Smart bombs are awesome, but collateral damage happens. Know what collateral damage is? It's women and children in the wrong place, at the wrong time, blown to little pieces. And that is an inevitability in warfare.

    In addition to all those Iranians we would kill in order to save them, how many US soldiers are going to die in the fight. This may make me a bad person, but I value the lives of those soldiers one whole hell of a lot more than I do any Iranian. I am not even going to apologize for that, it's just how I am.

    Lastly, how long would it take us to gather a force large enough to win in Iran? Could we even get in there and invade in time to save any one?

    It is one of the strengths of the young that they find causes worth fighting over, and they want to see good done in the world. I applaud you for that. It's the role of those who are older, who have seen war and have some experience to temper the innate rashness of youth.
    I am not calling for a ground war. We would win, but we would of course take losses. That's exactly what we shouldn't do.

    Not trying to be screwed up, but I would never call for a war against a Muslim country, simply because it would turn into a guerilla conflict. If they got some balls, and met our army conventionally, maybe. We would take minimal casualties in that sort of fight.

    What I want is a B-2 to fly high over Iran durign the night, and unload some JDAM's. They do have collateral damage, but theres a difference between a few dozen ( at the max) killed by a bomb, and a few hundred killed by being axed, stabbed, and shot to death. Iran's "Air Defence" is about as crappy as the North Koreans, that is to say they would be dead before they knew there was an airplane in the sky. and by the time the bomb falls from 30,000 and kills the b**tards, our plane will be 10-20 miles away at least.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I am not calling for a ground war. We would win, but we would of course take losses. That's exactly what we shouldn't do.

    Not trying to be screwed up, but I would never call for a war against a Muslim country, simply because it would turn into a guerilla conflict. If they got some balls, and met our army conventionally, maybe. We would take minimal casualties in that sort of fight.

    What I want is a B-2 to fly high over Iran durign the night, and unload some JDAM's. They do have collateral damage, but theres a difference between a few dozen ( at the max) killed by a bomb, and a few hundred killed by being axed, stabbed, and shot to death. Iran's "Air Defence" is about as crappy as the North Koreans, that is to say they would be dead before they knew there was an airplane in the sky. and by the time the bomb falls from 30,000 and kills the b**tards, our plane will be 10-20 miles away at least.
    I worked in naval aviation on weapon systems. Please don't even begin to lecture me on the subject of bombs and what aircraft are capable of. Just a couple things to realize. Smallest bomb given a JDAM unit is 500 pounds. You do not even begin to know what a 500 pounder does in the real world. Secondly, USAF report max accuracy of 10 meters with JDAM..Yup, that's 30 feet at best. If it loses GPS, accuracy drops to 30 meters at best, or close to 100 feet. Fighting is being done in cities. Now, want to make another guess as to the numbers of collateral damage?

    The sad part is your B-2's with their JDAM's are not going to stop what is going on in Iran.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    What I want is a B-2 to fly high over Iran durign the night, and unload some JDAM's. They do have collateral damage, but theres a difference between a few dozen ( at the max) killed by a bomb, and a few hundred killed by being axed, stabbed, and shot to death. Iran's "Air Defence" is about as crappy as the North Koreans, that is to say they would be dead before they knew there was an airplane in the sky. and by the time the bomb falls from 30,000 and kills the b**tards, our plane will be 10-20 miles away at least.
    And what will you say to the survivors of the "collateral damage" if Khamenei and Ahmadenijad don't play along and stay in the target area while the bombs are falling?

    What will you say to the world if those bombs stray into a schoolyard or hospital?

    Women and children blown to bits is a lousy way to make friends and influence people.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    forgive my ignorance but is it not against the koran for a muslim to kill another muslim?
    why do you think ahmadinejad is muslim? what kind of muslim lies, cheats, kills, tortures other muslims? if he's a muslim, I bet satan would be a better muslim.

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