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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Only someone wallowing in European arrogance can suggest that my comments regarding the 2nd amendment are somehow "conservative" propaganda.

    The notion that I am upset by your ignorance is a long way from the truth.



    I claim you are young because your nonsense suggests someone of either youth or someone who is extremely uninformed. Which is it? I am sure I have a few years on you.

    So for my edification, what gets you on such an emotional rant regarding the 2nd ammendment? You have issues with freedom?
    Look, I just told you that we in Europe never needed your 2nd Ammendment to make revolutions. We did not need to have a right to bear arms in France to do so against our corrupted regime, we just did and toppled the monarchy because of our greater number of fighters; but you can keep ignoring that point as far as Im concerned.

    Also I do not care how old you are, the fact you assumed I was young is just very revealing of your own shortcomings. Yes, you are so sure; but Im the European arrogant one?

    Dang, this thread is about Iran; but you came in here to show off your 2nd ammendment propaganda. I just thought you could use a reality check mate, or should I say Shāh Māt?
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    Look, I just told you that we in Europe never needed your 2nd Ammendment to make revolutions. We did not need to have a right to bear arms in France to do so against our corrupted regime, we just did and toppled the monarchy because of our greater number of fighters; but you can keep ignoring that point as far as Im concerned.

    Also I do not care how old you are, the fact you assumed I was young is just very revealing of your own shortcomings. Yes, you are so sure; but Im the European arrogant one?

    Dang, this thread is about Iran; but you came in here to show off your 2nd ammendment propaganda. I just thought you could use a reality check mate.


    First let’s put your nonsensical tirade into perspective; I made this comment to someone other than you. It wasn’t partisan, it wasn’t nonsense, it was FACT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It would be hard for "the people" to revolt against an armed Government when they don't have the same 2nd amendment rights to keep and bear arms that we have.

    Just a reminder to those who think the ONLY people who should be armed in our societies should be the Government.
    Then came your incoherrent yammering;

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    As if we Europeans ever needed your 2nd ammendment to have revolutions.
    So please, spare me any more of your intellectual bile.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    First let’s put your nonsensical tirade into perspective; I made this comment to someone other than you. It wasn’t partisan, it wasn’t nonsense, it was FACT.



    Then came your incoherrent yammering;



    So please, spare me any more of your intellectual bile.

    Carry on.
    If you cant see the coherence in my comment, you must be retarded no matter how old you are!

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    First, learn to read before you spew your typically uninformed bile my direction. No where in my initial comments will you see the word "ignorant" until Mr. Paris started using it.
    From the post I addressed....
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    The only thing more amusing than the extreme arrogance of Europeans who presume to talk down to America is the historic ignorance exhibited by the current “ilk” of young Europeans like yourself who have the historic memory of a lemming.
    You fail.

    Once more this is your inability to follow a thread topic in a coherent fashion and your Liberal selective outrage operating which makes you look small and petty.
    Blah blah blah. And you still failed.


    You may want to brush up on your history. The fact that Liberals in both England and France continued to try and appease a tyrant like Hitler, much like Liberals today believe are the best political solutions, instead of using force suggests that Frances lack of leadership had more to do with their getting invaded and losing than the fact that Germany invaded them.
    This doesn't back up your stupid assertion that "Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them." That doesn't even make sense given history. And it certainly doesn't counter my assertion. You really have no idea what you are doing.

    You fail once again.

    We never CHOSE to fight in Europe; it was forced upon us because of our lack of leadership and the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor by the German allies Japan, which was also entirely preventable had America not had the same poor and lame Liberal leadership England and France had.
    We absolutely did "choose" to fight in Europe. We chose the battlefield. The attack on Pearl Harbor didn't force us to fight on European soil. We chose a battlefield that was closer in proximity to the enemies homeland rather than wait until Germany actually posed an imminent threat to the U.S. Germany declared war upon us but was in no position to actually carry out any kind of practical military operations against the U.S. We had ample opportunity to ramp up our war machine and respond. We weren't forced to fight in Europe by anyone. No more than we were forced to fight in Africa. The rest of your anti-liberal gibberish is to be ignored.

    You fail yet again.


    None of my comments suggest that we wanted to “rescue” France. It was a consequence of eliminating a vile murderous dictator whom the Europeans had originally sought to appease and didn’t take seriously until it was too late.
    Your comments absolutely suggest it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    You're from France; the only reason you currently do not speak German is because America got involved in a European War because Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them.
    Epic fail.
    This is of course pure speculation on your part. England could never have mounted a D-Day on their own.
    England wouldn't have had to. Russia would have forced Germany to capitulate. Try harder.
    But the pertinent FACT is that without a second front, Russia would never have been able to push the Germans back to Berlin, were reluctant to continue fighting without a commitment from the US and Britain to mount a second front and a more likely scenario would have been a truce between Russia and Germany partitioning the leftovers of Poland and other Eastern Block nations.
    You're insane. Hitler held western Europe with substantially less forces than he fought with on the Eastern front. He actually shifted western front resources off to fight the Russians because he had overextended his lines of supply and his offensives were stalling out and being pushed back. His troops in Normandy were under equipped and almost devoid of air cover. It was only because of the eastern front that we could even mount a D-Day offensive, not the other way around. The Soviets had the Germans on the run after Stalingrad and Kursk. The eastern front had collapsed on the Axis and they were being steadily destroyed and pushed back before allied troops ever stepped foot on the beaches of Normandy. Nothing Germany could do would have stopped the Red Army from taking the Rhineland and ending the war. The only thing D-Day did was speed up the surrender of Germany and insure the French weren't speaking Russian. Over 70% of German casualties were at the hands of the Red Army. Stalin didn't get his second front until after he had decimated German forces on the eastern front and began his drive to Germany.

    Russia couldn’t even initially beat a tiny army in Finland.
    So? They kicked the **** out of the Wermacht and it's allies. You're clueless about World War II.
    The ONLY reason we acted was that the Japanese forced us to act. Up until then, we were quite happily selling steal to them while they bombed and murdered the people forced to subjugate to them.
    False, we had cut off oil and steel exports to Japan prior to Pearl Harbor, which they considered an act of war. They attacked Pearl Harbor because they had to take the oil fields in the Dutch East Indies in order to sustain their empire and they believed our fleet in Hawaii was the only thing that would stop them. That in no way forced us to send troops to Europe.

    Fail.

    Americans, much like today’s Americans, needed a major kick in the ass to act; they were perfectly willing to pretend it was Europe’s War just as we are currently willing to pretend the Middle East is none of our business.
    Yeah so?

    Your hyperbole aside, the notion that you could lecture me on WWII history, or any history for that matter is truly as laughable as your own misplaced high opinion of yourself and your intellect.
    I have already shown how you are woefully ignorant of World War II history. My intellect doesn't have to be all that high to put you in your place.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by wbreese91
    Except, that isn't what happened. The Japanese brought the U.S. into the war, but chances are we would have entered anyway. Germany's declaration of war came after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Germany didn't want to go to war with the U.S.

    Maybe you should read a history book
    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst
    We didn't enter the EUROPEAN conflict until after Germany declared war upon us. It doesn't matter that they didn't want to go to war with us, they did. They initiated it, we responded. Those are the facts.

    Try again.
    I am always baffled when you repeat the OBVIOUS; that is exactly what wbreese stated: "Germany's declaration of war came after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor"

    So basically it is once again it is begging for a point from you; which was?
    Which was you are clueless about the dynamics and history of World War II, "Mr. D-Day Saved the Russians." Japan brought us into the Pacific theater of the war. Germany's declaration brought us into the European theater.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)



    Seriously, has this thread about the possible mass killing/wounding of people decended into an arguement about WHICH COUNTRY WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN WWII?!?!
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

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    Seriously, has this thread about the possible mass killing/wounding of people decended into an arguement about WHICH COUNTRY WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN WWII?!?!
    I enjoy checking his ignorance. It can't be helped. Just skip my posts and you should be fine.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I enjoy checking his ignorance. It can't be helped. Just skip my posts and you should be fine.
    Problem is, they are interesting in their own right, just IMO not in the correct thread.

    But meh.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Problem is, they are interesting in their own right, just IMO not in the correct thread.

    But meh.
    I know, and I'm sorry that it got derailed. I just can't help myself.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No .. We did not invade Iraq for that.
    Quit trying to give Bush undeserved praise.

    And thanks to the Iraq war, UK will most definetly NOT be taking part in any bombing campaign. Our military has been stretched too far already in Afghanistan, Iraq and numerous other peacekeeping countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I dunno...I've always assumed occupation of Iraq was a staging ground for dealing with Iran when the time came.
    you can find many posts here from years gone by about the Bush plan to bring democracy to the Middle East, and how with teh Wars in Afghanistan and than Iraq, that we now had our military on both sides of Iran. How do you know this was not the long term goal, if only hoped for after dealing with the immediate reasons for going into those countries.
    You do acknowledge that as we type, there are american agents, in Iran giving aid, support and guidance to the protesters in the hopes of, what many here have said for years, that Iran would fall from within

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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