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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    2. When we invaded this time, we went for style over substance. This was Rumsfeld fault for relying too much on the idea of "Shock and Awe" rather than something more appropriate like the Powell Doctrine. We allowed the country to destabilize too easily, after the overthrow was complete.
    Can I get one big "HELL YES!"

    Finally, one other person on this forum that knows something about the Powell Doctrine.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    What about the girl in the OP begging for help? Why do you think the demonstrators signs are in English not Farsi?
    OK, so one chick begged for help. This is supposed to be evidence that the Iranian people welcome and/or expect American involvement?
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You're from France; the only reason you currently do not speak German is because America got involved in a European War because Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them.
    You shouldn't go slinging the word "ignorant" at anyone when you make stupid comments like this one. France didn't "get themselves into a war they couldn't get out of." Germany invaded France without just cause. We chose to fight in Europe because Hitler declared war on the U.S. and it was to our strategic advantage to actually join the fighting. Not because we wanted to rescue France or any other part of Europe. If we could have just continued supplying arms and material under Lend-Lease that would have been preferred. With the Russian front opened up Great Britain could have sustained under Lend-Lease until Soviet troops made it to Berlin, and they would have, with or without D-Day. Germany would have begun pulling resources off of the western front and worked towards stopping the Russians.

    But...Hitler pushed the button and you have to act at that point. Which in the end worked out because the U.S. sphere of influence in Europe after the war was quite beneficial to all involved.
    The only thing more amusing than the extreme arrogance of Europeans who presume to talk down to America is the historic ignorance exhibited by the current “ilk” of young Europeans like yourself who have the historic memory of a lemming.
    You need to read some books on the subject matter you think you understand.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You shouldn't go slinging the word "ignorant" at anyone when you make stupid comments like this one. France didn't "get themselves into a war they couldn't get out of." Germany invaded France without just cause. We chose to fight in Europe because Hitler declared war on the U.S. and it was to our strategic advantage to actually join the fighting. Not because we wanted to rescue France or any other part of Europe. If we could have just continued supplying arms and material under Lend-Lease that would have been preferred. With the Russian front opened up Great Britain could have sustained under Lend-Lease until Soviet troops made it to Berlin, and they would have, with or without D-Day. Germany would have begun pulling resources off of the western front and worked towards stopping the Russians.

    But...Hitler pushed the button and you have to act at that point. Which in the end worked out because the U.S. sphere of influence in Europe after the war was quite beneficial to all involved.

    You need to read some books on the subject matter you think you understand.

    Yeah...
    Except, that isn't what happened. The Japanese brought the U.S. into the war, but chances are we would have entered anyway. Germany's declaration of war came after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Germany didn't want to go to war with the U.S.

    Maybe you should read a history book
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    You are the one spewing your conservative propaganda about the 2nd ammendment in this thread and you get upset because I called you on it? ROFL.
    Only someone wallowing in European arrogance can suggest that my comments regarding the 2nd amendment are somehow "conservative" propaganda.

    The notion that I am upset by your ignorance is a long way from the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    Also I am a young European? Well thank you but you are just talking out of your arse right now and your prose starts to stink so please...
    I claim you are young because your nonsense suggests someone of either youth or someone who is extremely uninformed. Which is it? I am sure I have a few years on you.

    So for my edification, what gets you on such an emotional rant regarding the 2nd ammendment? You have issues with freedom?

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh please god. Not the US saved the world line ...

    US came in late in the game.
    It was Britain and its commonwealth which intiated the operation on D Day in France and not to mention it was Russia who arguably played the most important role. If it wasn't for the Russians, we'd be speaking German.
    Wrong again; the British could never have carried out D-Day. The French, they were useless. The Russians were only an ally in that they began a second front which would have never succeeded if not for the success of D-Day operations with which US soldiers took a terrible toll.

    The notion that Europe could have been freed without US might is a laughable proposition.

    The ONLY reason I bring it up is when Europeans smug in their uniformed arrogance feel obligated to insult or lecture America or Americans. It seems that they need CONSTANT reminders regarding history and REAL events.

    By the way, if not for the US, Europeans would also be speaking Russian.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    You're from France; the only reason you currently do not speak German is because America got involved in a European War because Europeans are good at getting themselves into wars but not very good at getting themselves OUT of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You shouldn't go slinging the word "ignorant" at anyone when you make stupid comments like this one.
    First, learn to read before you spew your typically uninformed bile my direction. No where in my initial comments will you see the word "ignorant" until Mr. Paris started using it.

    Once more this is your inability to follow a thread topic in a coherent fashion and your Liberal selective outrage operating which makes you look small and petty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    France didn't "get themselves into a war they couldn't get out of." Germany invaded France without just cause.
    You may want to brush up on your history. The fact that Liberals in both England and France continued to try and appease a tyrant like Hitler, much like Liberals today believe are the best political solutions, instead of using force suggests that Frances lack of leadership had more to do with their getting invaded and losing than the fact that Germany invaded them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We chose to fight in Europe because Hitler declared war on the U.S. and it was to our strategic advantage to actually join the fighting.
    We never CHOSE to fight in Europe; it was forced upon us because of our lack of leadership and the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor by the German allies Japan, which was also entirely preventable had America not had the same poor and lame Liberal leadership England and France had.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Not because we wanted to rescue France or any other part of Europe.
    None of my comments suggest that we wanted to “rescue” France. It was a consequence of eliminating a vile murderous dictator whom the Europeans had originally sought to appease and didn’t take seriously until it was too late.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    With the Russian front opened up Great Britain could have sustained under Lend-Lease until Soviet troops made it to Berlin, and they would have, with or without D-Day. Germany would have begun pulling resources off of the western front and worked towards stopping the Russians.
    This is of course pure speculation on your part. England could never have mounted a D-Day on their own.

    But the pertinent FACT is that without a second front, Russia would never have been able to push the Germans back to Berlin, were reluctant to continue fighting without a commitment from the US and Britain to mount a second front and a more likely scenario would have been a truce between Russia and Germany partitioning the leftovers of Poland and other Eastern Block nations.

    Russia couldn’t even initially beat a tiny army in Finland.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    But...Hitler pushed the button and you have to act at that point. Which in the end worked out because the U.S. sphere of influence in Europe after the war was quite beneficial to all involved.
    The ONLY reason we acted was that the Japanese forced us to act. Up until then, we were quite happily selling steal to them while they bombed and murdered the people forced to subjugate to them.

    Americans, much like today’s Americans, needed a major kick in the ass to act; they were perfectly willing to pretend it was Europe’s War just as we are currently willing to pretend the Middle East is none of our business.


    Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector The only thing more amusing than the extreme arrogance of Europeans who presume to talk down to America is the historic ignorance exhibited by the current “ilk” of young Europeans like yourself who have the historic memory of a lemming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You need to read some books on the subject matter you think you understand.
    Your hyperbole aside, the notion that you could lecture me on WWII history, or any history for that matter is truly as laughable as your own misplaced high opinion of yourself and your intellect.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Probably won't even hear a peep about this since Michael Jackson died. Nice priorities our media has, huh?
    The media will report anything to distract from Obama potentially blundering. Thousands could die, and the media will only report on Jackson until the funeral.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Except, that isn't what happened. The Japanese brought the U.S. into the war, but chances are we would have entered anyway. Germany's declaration of war came after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Germany didn't want to go to war with the U.S.

    Maybe you should read a history book
    We didn't enter the EUROPEAN conflict until after Germany declared war upon us. It doesn't matter that they didn't want to go to war with us, they did. They initiated it, we responded. Those are the facts.

    Try again.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Originally Posted by wbreese91
    Except, that isn't what happened. The Japanese brought the U.S. into the war, but chances are we would have entered anyway. Germany's declaration of war came after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Germany didn't want to go to war with the U.S.

    Maybe you should read a history book
    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We didn't enter the EUROPEAN conflict until after Germany declared war upon us. It doesn't matter that they didn't want to go to war with us, they did. They initiated it, we responded. Those are the facts.

    Try again.
    I am always baffled when you repeat the OBVIOUS; that is exactly what wbreese stated: "Germany's declaration of war came after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor"

    So basically it is once again it is begging for a point from you; which was?

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