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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) It was a free and fair election.

    B) The U.S. actually financed Duarte's campaign against Cristiani but Cristiani was in fact democratically elected in free and fair elections.
    Free and fair save for the presence of death squads killing off the opossition

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    50 years ago we went into Iran at the behest of the British and that is what contributed towards getting us into this mess in the first place. We helped overthrow Mossadegh, installed the Shah and the rest is history.

    I think we need to look at long term rather than short term strategies, myself, and rushing in now runs the risk of a backlash similar to that of our earlier involvement. It would also take the impetus for change away from the Iranian people and that is the worst thing to do IMO. Change has to come from within, and so our role should be to help make sure the world knows what is really going on there. We should be pointing out how Palestinian goons are being imported to do much of the dirty work, especially inasmuch as THEY are the foreigners here, not us. By illuminating the fact that it is Palestinians killing Iranians, we can establish that our own intent isn't to invade, and perhaps even wake up a few Europeans in the process.

    I'm not against offering assistance, but nascent movement like this needs time to coalesce into something more organized. Otherwise, there is no valid structure in place to replace the rotton one.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Free and fair save for the presence of death squads killing off the opossition
    You had death squads on both sides, however, the elections themselves were free and fair and I'll remind you that ARENA was instrumental in bringing an end to the civil war.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You had death squads on both sides, however, the elections themselves were free and fair.
    Agreed on the former but not the latter. How can elections be free and fair without the freedom of both sides to express their opionions? Still what is without a doubt is that a government whose forces raped nuns killed preists and massacred indians is in no way superior to todays Iranian government.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Agreed on the former but not the latter. How can elections be free and fair without the freedom of both sides to express their opionions?
    They still expressed their opinions, the elections in Iraq allthough marred by violence were still free and fair as were elections in the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, and numerous other hotspots.

    Still what is without a doubt is that a government whose forces raped nuns killed preists and massacred indians is in no way superior to todays Iranian government.
    It was a civil war, bad things happen during wartime and those responsible for the rape and murder of the nuns were found guilty and sentenced to prison, the Cristiani government which was instrumental in ending the civil war and accepted free and fair democratic elections and the peaceful transfer of power to the opposition was far superior to the current Iranian theocracy.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    It has now been confirmed:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRuG7nM2AMQ]YouTube - The View from the balcony - police and basijis VS people of Iran, Baharestan June 24.[/ame]

    It's a grainy video and it's hard to tell what's going on but the gunshots are clearly audible.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Doesn't anyone in Tehran have a decent video camera? Jesus, I'm tired of looking at phone video.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Doesn't anyone in Tehran have a decent video camera? Jesus, I'm tired of looking at phone video.
    Anyone with a camera has been a target for beating and arrest. Sometimes, the only video available is cell video.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by NDNdancer View Post
    Anyone with a camera has been a target for beating and arrest. Sometimes, the only video available is cell video.
    Yeh, but when most of the video is shot out of windows and out of public view, seems like there could be better quality.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Yeh, but when most of the video is shot out of windows and out of public view, seems like there could be better quality.
    If you want to run right over there and get some good quality video, have at it.


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