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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    Then US or anyone in the West cannot claim to be helping another country by overthrowing a 'dictatorous' regime because sweetheart, there are more than one in this world.
    Oh.

    I see.

    So when we DO overthrow a tyrant, we're the evil imperialist tyrants then.

    Given the opinion the whole world that's against us, why shouldn't we nuke all of you and be done with it, then, since we're The Great Satan?

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Given the opinion the whole world that's against us, why shouldn't we nuke all of you and be done with it, then, since we're The Great Satan?
    Because it would harm US's interest.

    People like to think their country is moral or good, whatever that means. It is not. The state would turn a gun on any of us if it was in their interest to.


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's not true, because if the Basiji were using axes, it would be a huge story
    And who would be reporting that huge story? For the past week or so the only news coming out of Iran is comming from sources such as twitter. The news media has been thrown out of the country and forbidden from reporting.
    The state run media is calling the protesters terrorist. Get real.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Because it would harm US's interest.
    Not really. After a hundred years or so the land would be both arable and empty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    People like to think their country is moral or good, whatever that means. It is not. The state would turn a gun on any of us if it was in their interest to.
    Well, your country is neither, I'll agree whole heartedly.

    My country has for the most part minded it's own business where possible, like in Darfur and Zimbabwe, and focused it attentions on areas that are important.

    Jesus couldn't cure all the poverty and disease in the world, why were you people expecting that of Bush, whom you all claim is a fool?

    People that expend their every and last dying breath trying to do good are not only fools, they never accomplish anything.

    A good man knows the size of grasp and does not grab for the watermelon when he can only handle an apple. A good nation is made of good men.

    A bad nation is full of whiners pointing out when a good nation isn't doing their bidding.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Jesus couldn't cure all the poverty and disease in the world, why were you people expecting that of Bush, whom you all claim is a fool?
    I never said UK was moral or good.

    Bush was a retard and a dip****. Fool is too nice a word.


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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Read the news. Khamenei is already hurling those accusations, is already calling out the Revolutionary Guard and the Basij militias. He's already shot that bolt.
    No he hasn't. The small scale killings and beatings are sadly not even close. Lets look to nearby Syria in 1982.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre]Hama massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
    That is what happens when the full power of a semi-modern military is allowed to kill without restrictions.

    Or we arm the insurgents, they win, and we have a friendly Iran.
    Mousavi is no friend of America. Even supporting him in a revolution won't change that. There are countless examples of our former "friends" turning against us despite our support in times of war.

    It is a risk, but if the violence is increasing, the risk is small and growing smaller, while the reward large and getting larger.

    The time to gamble may very well be now.
    Violence favors the current regime. They have a politically loyal military and likely will turn to massacre to maintain their power. If it gets bloody, the students are unlikely to prevail. These people aren't battle hardened religious fanatics, they are students and mothers.

    We need to shift from our cold war policy. Leaving a trail of supported coups and revolutions has really ended up biting us in the ass in the long run. Hell, we wouldn't even be in this situation if we hadn't intervened in Iran in the first place.

    True enough. We have no interest in "promoting democracy." We do have interest in promoting stable government in strategically situated nations with nuclear ambitions
    Glad to see we agree on that.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I never said UK was moral or good.

    Bush was a retard and a dip****. Fool is too nice a word.
    No.

    Bush is a standard issue well left of center liberal American politician, and incompetence is what is expected of peole foolish enough to value those traditions.

    Since you say Bush is a retard and a dipstick, I'm sure you don't have any words to describe how awful The Messiah is.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=105dzSvBrQ4]YouTube - Iran Plaincloths attacked a protester with axe June 24[/ame]

    Heres your supposed axe attacks.

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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Because it would harm US's interest.

    People like to think their country is moral or good, whatever that means. It is not. The state would turn a gun on any of us if it was in their interest to.
    Not content with a world that is not a fairy tale. Considering that politics is a nasty business, and war is even nastier, perhaps the actions, all things considered are quite good. Not perfect, but good or decent.

    Sometimes I have to remind myself that even though humans are quite imperfect, they are capable of good works, however gray they seem in comparison with our desires, hence my acceptance that comparatevely speaking, the United States is a good nation with an incredibly generous foreign policy.
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    Re: Unimaginable Horror In Tehran Today (Baharestan Square Massacre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    Then US or anyone in the West cannot claim to be helping another country by overthrowing a 'dictatorous' regime because sweetheart, there are more than one in this world.
    Do we plan to go get every single one? What made Iraq more worthy of democracy than any other country in this world under a dictator?
    Even if the United States were willing to try to overturn the whole world's bad sectors without even so much as a kickback, we even indirectly know the lessons Robert K Merton wrote about without even reading them: The Limits of Purposive Social Action. There are indeed limits to what we can do, even if it deals with temperament back home. If Iraq succeeds, it is incredibly possible it was more due to luck than skill, but nevertheless, it was a good venture in our moral compass-even if it was in our interest to do so. It is up to the wise ruler to decide what is a worthwhile investment, and a ruler who is always mindful about his end of the bargain is also performing a moral good.
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