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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You could eliminate all deductions and it wouldn't be an increase in the income tax rate either, but I doubt that's what people had in mind when he made a "no tax" pledge.
    Fair enough, but Congress is always tinkering with what is/isn't deductible or exempt. By that standard, pretty much every president and Congress has raised taxes on something or other.

    But more importantly, this is the right thing to do.
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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nah, the prudent thing to do would be to eliminate the income tax and end a huge number of money games and shenanigans related to it.
    Yes, yes. We get it. You don't like paying taxes. Just keep talking about how it's prudent to turn the clock back to 1913. I'm sure the American people will listen to you.

    But for those of us living on Planet Earth who actually want to discuss the issue at hand (taxing health benefits as regular income), this is the only logical thing to do. There is really no fundamental difference between being paid in cash and being paid in health benefits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Another prudent thing to do would be to take government out of the health care business, since it's a violation of the Constitution.
    You adamantly defended government funding for NASA yesterday, so you have totally forfeited any moral high ground on a strict interpretation of the 10th Amendment.
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    Yes, let's eliminate all taxes because parks are bad for us, scholarships are bad for us, and Medicare/Medicaid are bad for us.

    Funny story, the other day one guy told me he hated Democrats because by the time he grew up, there wouldn't be any Social Security.

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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, yes. We get it. You don't like paying taxes. Just keep talking about how it's prudent to turn the clock back to 1913. I'm sure the American people will listen to you.
    That's a stupid argument. We are much more prosperous than those people. Don't act like our quality of life would return to that.

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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I dont know if The Obama slammed McCain, but McCain certainly suggested it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/us.../01mccain.html



    Obama indeed slammed McCain... See around 1 min in. McCain says obama is lying about it later and he was not taxing healthcare.


    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTalCKyW-g&feature=fvw]YouTube - McCain, Obama Differ Dramatically on Health Care[/ame]
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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "President Barack Obama is leaving the door open to a new tax on employer-provided health care benefits."

    Well, that pretty much zaps his promise to not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000...err $200,000...er $150,000...er $100,000...er $25,000 now doesn't it?



    And I am still waiting for my health care to be reduced by $2500 as promised.
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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, yes. We get it. You don't like paying taxes. Just keep talking about how it's prudent to turn the clock back to 1913. I'm sure the American people will listen to you.

    But for those of us living on Planet Earth who actually want to discuss the issue at hand (taxing health benefits as regular income), this is the only logical thing to do. There is really no fundamental difference between being paid in cash and being paid in health benefits.
    What? There is a huge difference b/w getting paid in cash and getting paid in health benefits.

    A healthy person, 18-30, may never go to a doctor, but he will have been paying for something he never used for 12 years. How much cash would that give him on hand over that 12 year period that he could used on other things in life that counted?

    Tell ya what, start paying for the internet at $50 a month. Dont ever actually hook up to it, and do this for the next 12 years, while never actually using it. Then come back and tell us there is no difference. Lets figure out what you could have been buying in place of a $50 a month throw away that you never used.

    Eliminating the income tax isnt going to send us back to 1913. Sorry, that was just ridiculous to even state.

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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    But for those of us living on Planet Earth who actually want to discuss the issue at hand (taxing health benefits as regular income), this is the only logical thing to do. There is really no fundamental difference between being paid in cash and being paid in health benefits.

    So, will your health bennies be taxed under this plan?
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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Yes, let's eliminate all taxes because parks are bad for us, scholarships are bad for us, and Medicare/Medicaid are bad for us.

    Funny story, the other day one guy told me he hated Democrats because by the time he grew up, there wouldn't be any Social Security.
    Is that a funny story? Medicare/Medicaid/SS are all going under. You got 2 options on them: raises taxes to re-fund them for awhile or start cutting benefits and coverage.

    That is it. I dont find it funny at all, that the government is going to harm us all in the long run with their bloated socialist programs.

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    Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Is that a funny story? Medicare/Medicaid/SS are all going under. You got 2 options on them: raises taxes to re-fund them for awhile or start cutting benefits and coverage.

    That is it. I dont find it funny at all, that the government is going to harm us all in the long run with their bloated socialist programs.
    When you complain to Democrats that they're destroying Social Security, a program that they implemented in the first place- yeah I find that pretty funny.

    Also, you know what- I come from a pretty wealthy family (few pharmacists and my father's a doctor) and I also aspire to be a doctor some day. To say that we're well off financially isn't exactly an understatement. I have no problem taxing the wealthy more than taxing the poor. I'm not saying tax the wealthy until they're poor or even middle class. Think about this though, taxing one millionaire one percent is $10,000. That's only one percent, a relative drop in the bucket to a millionaire. However, to somebody who only makes 40k a year, that's 3 months pay.

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