• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

new coup for you said:
Yeah can we all just agree that list is total ****?
Click to expand...

So hilariously bad, too.

I've walked around 125th and St Nick at 2 am and not been that concerned. I wouldn't walk around Brownsville at noon on Sunday with a priest and armed guard.
 
new coup for you said:
Yeah can we all just agree that list is total ****?
Click to expand...

These people have never been to Bowen Homes in west Atlanta.
That is a ****ing scary ass place.

"HUD determined the development was obsolete, while AHA found it ridden with crime. Based on Atlanta Police reports, between June 2007 and January 2008, there were 168 violent crimes, including five murders, at Bowen Homes. And the cost to modernize and rehabilitate Bowen was estimated at about $67 million."

It's just an apartment complex on top of that.

Bowen Homes targeted for demolition - Atlanta Business Chronicle:
 
Inferno said:
There are areas in Chicago that even the police are afraid to go. They are all two man cars and they are not listed on there. Chicago is trying to create anti gun laws a little too late.
Click to expand...

We've had very strict anti-gun laws in place since 1982, Inferno. They've failed for way too long.
 
RightinNYC said:
125th and St. Nick is the most dangerous neighborhood in New York?

Homicides and Crime in New York City - New York Times Interactive Graphic


Number of murders in a 4 block radius in Bed Stuy: 10
Number of murders in a 4 block radius in Bushwick: 11
Number of murders in a 4 block radius in East NY: 8
Number of murders in a 4 block radius in Brownsville: 13
Number of murders in a 4 block radius in Fordham Heights: 12


Number of murders within a 4 block radius of 125th and St Nick: 1



****ing FAILFAILFAIL
Click to expand...

I lived in Ft.Greene right next door to Bed Stuy and that 'hood was a nightmare.
 
stevenb said:
Most Dangerous Neighborhoods - WalletPop


So, can we make any correlations based on these findings? Looks to me like the cities with the most anti-gun laws are the ones with the most violent neighborhoods in this country.

Gee.

Though I am perplexed about the Texas neighborhoods... I wonder if they're predominantly immigrant or some other abnormality.
Click to expand...

The only correlation you can draw is that they are neighborhoods with high levels of poverty and unemployment.

Looking at anti-gun laws to draw a correlation with a "most dangerous neighborhood" list is meaningless, since gun laws don't typically vary all that much from one neighborhood to the next. A list of "most dangerous states" is what you're looking for if you want to compare gun laws...but even that could be misleading, because it wouldn't explain whether gun laws cause crime or whether crime causes gun laws, and there are countless other factors in play besides gun laws.
 
Kandahar said:
The only correlation you can draw is that they are neighborhoods with high levels of poverty and unemployment.

Looking at anti-gun laws to draw a correlation with a "most dangerous neighborhood" list is meaningless, since gun laws don't typically vary all that much from one neighborhood to the next. A list of "most dangerous states" is what you're looking for if you want to compare gun laws...but even that could be misleading, because it wouldn't explain whether gun laws cause crime or whether crime causes gun laws, and there are countless other factors in play besides gun laws.
Click to expand...

To be fair, you want to look at cities more than states since the strict bans on certain weapons are usually at the city level.

And to be even more fair, you need to look at crime rates in cities that have very strict gun control policies not because gun-laws cause crime, but because it is clear that they do not do what they are suppose3d to do, which is prevent crime.

Since Chicago has pretty much the strictest ban on guns in the country in place, and has had that ban for 27 years, one should be able to feel safer in the city due to these bans if these bans actually worked. One should not expect to see our city encompassing 16% of that list.

But that isn't the case. Gun control laws and the efforts put into enforcing them don't prevent crime at all. If laws don't do what they are supposed to, and they limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens, the laws are unjust.

Chicago's gun policy has failed. Spectacularly. Too much effort has been spent addressing the symptom and not addressing the problem.

The problem here is not guns.

The problems here abound in many directions and have been caused by incompetent and corrupt leadership in this town for nearly a century. The problem is that instead of treating the illness, we treat the symptoms.
 
Tucker Case said:
To be fair, you want to look at cities more than states since the strict bans on certain weapons are usually at the city level.

And to be even more fair, you need to look at crime rates in cities that have very strict gun control policies not because gun-laws cause crime, but because it is clear that they do not do what they are suppose3d to do, which is prevent crime.

Since Chicago has pretty much the strictest ban on guns in the country in place, and has had that ban for 27 years, one should be able to feel safer in the city due to these bans if these bans actually worked. One should not expect to see our city encompassing 16% of that list.

But that isn't the case. Gun control laws and the efforts put into enforcing them don't prevent crime at all. If laws don't do what they are supposed to, and they limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens, the laws are unjust.

Chicago's gun policy has failed. Spectacularly. Too much effort has been spent addressing the symptom and not addressing the problem.

The problem here is not guns.

The problems here abound in many directions and have been caused by incompetent and corrupt leadership in this town for nearly a century. The problem is that instead of treating the illness, we treat the symptoms.
Click to expand...

While I agree that gun control doesn't necessarily PREVENT crime, I am equally skeptical of the claim that it CAUSES crime.

Congressional Quarterly Press DOES rank the safest and most dangerous cities in America. Let's look at the largest cities (population 500,000 or more) since those are the ones we're all familiar with:

The most dangerous cities in America are:
1. Detroit, MI
2. Memphis, TN
3. Baltimore, MD
4. Philadelphia, PA
5. Washington, DC
6. Dallas, TX
7. Milwaukee, WI
8. Houston, TX
9. Indianapolis, IN
10. Columbus, OH

And the safest cities are:
1. Honolulu, HI
2. El Paso, TX
3. San Jose, CA
4. New York, NY
5. Austin, TX
6. San Diego, CA
7. San Antonio, TX
8. Louisville, KY
9. Fort Worth, TX
10. Portland, OR

http://www.kvue.com/downloads/SafestCityAwards2007.pdf

What kinds of conclusions can we draw based on these list? The only thing that jumps out at me is that most of the safe cities are much more wealthy and better educated than the dangerous cities. I don't see any correlation to gun control. I see cities on both lists that have very strict gun control laws, and cities on both lists that have very liberal gun control laws.
 
Kandahar said:
While I agree that gun control doesn't necessarily PREVENT crime, I am equally skeptical of the claim that it CAUSES crime.
Click to expand...

So am I. I think it's just a restriction on personal freedom to give the illusion of fighting crime.


What kinds of conclusions can we draw based on these list? The only thing that jumps out at me is that most of the safe cities are much more wealthy and better educated than the dangerous cities. I don't see any correlation to gun control. I see cities on both lists that have very strict gun control laws, and cities on both lists that have very liberal gun control laws.
Click to expand...

Exactly. And this is why I wonder why we have gun control laws in the first place. If they do nothing with regards to crime, what purpose do they serve?

The only answer I can come up with is restrict freedom.
 
Kandahar said:
The only correlation you can draw is that they are neighborhoods with high levels of poverty and unemployment.

Looking at anti-gun laws to draw a correlation with a "most dangerous neighborhood" list is meaningless, since gun laws don't typically vary all that much from one neighborhood to the next. A list of "most dangerous states" is what you're looking for if you want to compare gun laws...but even that could be misleading, because it wouldn't explain whether gun laws cause crime or whether crime causes gun laws, and there are countless other factors in play besides gun laws.
Click to expand...

My crew and I were working in the Beaver Street/ Broad Street area in Jacksonville last year for a utility company, when two guys got into a half playful fist fight close to where we were standing. The fight escalated a little, and they were broken up and one of the guys dragged into his house by his brother. The second guy kept rushing the house, then a gun appeared from the house and a 'warning shot' was fired. Eventually some neighbors managed to wrestle this second guy away from the house and calm him down.

The biggest problem with this situation from my pov was the street was about 150 feet long, and a dead end. We were trapped until these losers worked the thing out. When there was an opening, we got out pretty fast. Crappy situation, and not unusual for that area if you read the local paper.
 
tryreading said:
My crew and I were working in the Beaver Street/ Broad Street area in Jacksonville last year for a utility company, when two guys got into a half playful fist fight close to where we were standing. The fight escalated a little, and they were broken up and one of the guys dragged into his house by his brother. The second guy kept rushing the house, then a gun appeared from the house and a 'warning shot' was fired. Eventually some neighbors managed to wrestle this second guy away from the house and calm him down.

The biggest problem with this situation from my pov was the street was about 150 feet long, and a dead end. We were trapped until these losers worked the thing out. When there was an opening, we got out pretty fast. Crappy situation, and not unusual for that area if you read the local paper.
Click to expand...

When I was in Jacksonville, that neighborhood was the only one where I locked the car doors to drive through. Thankfully, only ended up there a couple times.
 
Redress said:
When I was in Jacksonville, that neighborhood was the only one where I locked the car doors to drive through. Thankfully, only ended up there a couple times.
Click to expand...

We were stuck working there on an AT&T project for about 2 weeks. Lots of gun shots and sirens. Did not feel very comfortable there (understatement).
 
tryreading said:
We were stuck working there on an AT&T project for about 2 weeks. Lots of gun shots and sirens. Did not feel very comfortable there (understatement).
Click to expand...

My dad was a retiree from AT&T.

/Derail off.
 
Redress said:
My dad was a retiree from AT&T.

/Derail off.
Click to expand...

Actually, I work for a company that contracts with AT&T and FP&L and various other utilities to maintain a part of their infrastructure (utility poles).
 
tryreading said:
My crew and I were working in the Beaver Street/ Broad Street area in Jacksonville last year for a utility company, when two guys got into a half playful fist fight close to where we were standing. The fight escalated a little, and they were broken up and one of the guys dragged into his house by his brother. The second guy kept rushing the house, then a gun appeared from the house and a 'warning shot' was fired. Eventually some neighbors managed to wrestle this second guy away from the house and calm him down.

The biggest problem with this situation from my pov was the street was about 150 feet long, and a dead end. We were trapped until these losers worked the thing out. When there was an opening, we got out pretty fast. Crappy situation, and not unusual for that area if you read the local paper.
Click to expand...





What did you do when you heard the shot?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
El paso ????? :shock:
Click to expand...

wiki said:
According to the 2007 American Community Survey, the city's population was 78.3% White (15.0% non-Hispanic-White alone), 3.5% Black or African American, 1.0% American Indian and Alaska Native, 1.5% Asian, 0.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, 17.9% from some other race and 2.2% from two or more races. 80.2% of the total population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
Click to expand...

Guess immigration doesn't always lead to violence, eh? Someone implied that on page one, but I don't remember

who...El Paso, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom