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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

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    So, can we make any correlations based on these findings? Looks to me like the cities with the most anti-gun laws are the ones with the most violent neighborhoods in this country.

    Gee.

    Though I am perplexed about the Texas neighborhoods... I wonder if they're predominantly immigrant or some other abnormality.
    The only correlation you can draw is that they are neighborhoods with high levels of poverty and unemployment.

    Looking at anti-gun laws to draw a correlation with a "most dangerous neighborhood" list is meaningless, since gun laws don't typically vary all that much from one neighborhood to the next. A list of "most dangerous states" is what you're looking for if you want to compare gun laws...but even that could be misleading, because it wouldn't explain whether gun laws cause crime or whether crime causes gun laws, and there are countless other factors in play besides gun laws.
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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The only correlation you can draw is that they are neighborhoods with high levels of poverty and unemployment.

    Looking at anti-gun laws to draw a correlation with a "most dangerous neighborhood" list is meaningless, since gun laws don't typically vary all that much from one neighborhood to the next. A list of "most dangerous states" is what you're looking for if you want to compare gun laws...but even that could be misleading, because it wouldn't explain whether gun laws cause crime or whether crime causes gun laws, and there are countless other factors in play besides gun laws.
    To be fair, you want to look at cities more than states since the strict bans on certain weapons are usually at the city level.

    And to be even more fair, you need to look at crime rates in cities that have very strict gun control policies not because gun-laws cause crime, but because it is clear that they do not do what they are suppose3d to do, which is prevent crime.

    Since Chicago has pretty much the strictest ban on guns in the country in place, and has had that ban for 27 years, one should be able to feel safer in the city due to these bans if these bans actually worked. One should not expect to see our city encompassing 16% of that list.

    But that isn't the case. Gun control laws and the efforts put into enforcing them don't prevent crime at all. If laws don't do what they are supposed to, and they limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens, the laws are unjust.

    Chicago's gun policy has failed. Spectacularly. Too much effort has been spent addressing the symptom and not addressing the problem.

    The problem here is not guns.

    The problems here abound in many directions and have been caused by incompetent and corrupt leadership in this town for nearly a century. The problem is that instead of treating the illness, we treat the symptoms.
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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    To be fair, you want to look at cities more than states since the strict bans on certain weapons are usually at the city level.

    And to be even more fair, you need to look at crime rates in cities that have very strict gun control policies not because gun-laws cause crime, but because it is clear that they do not do what they are suppose3d to do, which is prevent crime.

    Since Chicago has pretty much the strictest ban on guns in the country in place, and has had that ban for 27 years, one should be able to feel safer in the city due to these bans if these bans actually worked. One should not expect to see our city encompassing 16% of that list.

    But that isn't the case. Gun control laws and the efforts put into enforcing them don't prevent crime at all. If laws don't do what they are supposed to, and they limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens, the laws are unjust.

    Chicago's gun policy has failed. Spectacularly. Too much effort has been spent addressing the symptom and not addressing the problem.

    The problem here is not guns.

    The problems here abound in many directions and have been caused by incompetent and corrupt leadership in this town for nearly a century. The problem is that instead of treating the illness, we treat the symptoms.
    While I agree that gun control doesn't necessarily PREVENT crime, I am equally skeptical of the claim that it CAUSES crime.

    Congressional Quarterly Press DOES rank the safest and most dangerous cities in America. Let's look at the largest cities (population 500,000 or more) since those are the ones we're all familiar with:

    The most dangerous cities in America are:
    1. Detroit, MI
    2. Memphis, TN
    3. Baltimore, MD
    4. Philadelphia, PA
    5. Washington, DC
    6. Dallas, TX
    7. Milwaukee, WI
    8. Houston, TX
    9. Indianapolis, IN
    10. Columbus, OH

    And the safest cities are:
    1. Honolulu, HI
    2. El Paso, TX
    3. San Jose, CA
    4. New York, NY
    5. Austin, TX
    6. San Diego, CA
    7. San Antonio, TX
    8. Louisville, KY
    9. Fort Worth, TX
    10. Portland, OR

    http://www.kvue.com/downloads/SafestCityAwards2007.pdf

    What kinds of conclusions can we draw based on these list? The only thing that jumps out at me is that most of the safe cities are much more wealthy and better educated than the dangerous cities. I don't see any correlation to gun control. I see cities on both lists that have very strict gun control laws, and cities on both lists that have very liberal gun control laws.
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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    El paso ?????
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    While I agree that gun control doesn't necessarily PREVENT crime, I am equally skeptical of the claim that it CAUSES crime.
    So am I. I think it's just a restriction on personal freedom to give the illusion of fighting crime.


    What kinds of conclusions can we draw based on these list? The only thing that jumps out at me is that most of the safe cities are much more wealthy and better educated than the dangerous cities. I don't see any correlation to gun control. I see cities on both lists that have very strict gun control laws, and cities on both lists that have very liberal gun control laws.
    Exactly. And this is why I wonder why we have gun control laws in the first place. If they do nothing with regards to crime, what purpose do they serve?

    The only answer I can come up with is restrict freedom.
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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The only correlation you can draw is that they are neighborhoods with high levels of poverty and unemployment.

    Looking at anti-gun laws to draw a correlation with a "most dangerous neighborhood" list is meaningless, since gun laws don't typically vary all that much from one neighborhood to the next. A list of "most dangerous states" is what you're looking for if you want to compare gun laws...but even that could be misleading, because it wouldn't explain whether gun laws cause crime or whether crime causes gun laws, and there are countless other factors in play besides gun laws.
    My crew and I were working in the Beaver Street/ Broad Street area in Jacksonville last year for a utility company, when two guys got into a half playful fist fight close to where we were standing. The fight escalated a little, and they were broken up and one of the guys dragged into his house by his brother. The second guy kept rushing the house, then a gun appeared from the house and a 'warning shot' was fired. Eventually some neighbors managed to wrestle this second guy away from the house and calm him down.

    The biggest problem with this situation from my pov was the street was about 150 feet long, and a dead end. We were trapped until these losers worked the thing out. When there was an opening, we got out pretty fast. Crappy situation, and not unusual for that area if you read the local paper.

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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    My crew and I were working in the Beaver Street/ Broad Street area in Jacksonville last year for a utility company, when two guys got into a half playful fist fight close to where we were standing. The fight escalated a little, and they were broken up and one of the guys dragged into his house by his brother. The second guy kept rushing the house, then a gun appeared from the house and a 'warning shot' was fired. Eventually some neighbors managed to wrestle this second guy away from the house and calm him down.

    The biggest problem with this situation from my pov was the street was about 150 feet long, and a dead end. We were trapped until these losers worked the thing out. When there was an opening, we got out pretty fast. Crappy situation, and not unusual for that area if you read the local paper.
    When I was in Jacksonville, that neighborhood was the only one where I locked the car doors to drive through. Thankfully, only ended up there a couple times.

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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When I was in Jacksonville, that neighborhood was the only one where I locked the car doors to drive through. Thankfully, only ended up there a couple times.
    We were stuck working there on an AT&T project for about 2 weeks. Lots of gun shots and sirens. Did not feel very comfortable there (understatement).

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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    We were stuck working there on an AT&T project for about 2 weeks. Lots of gun shots and sirens. Did not feel very comfortable there (understatement).
    My dad was a retiree from AT&T.

    /Derail off.

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    Re: 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    My dad was a retiree from AT&T.

    /Derail off.
    Actually, I work for a company that contracts with AT&T and FP&L and various other utilities to maintain a part of their infrastructure (utility poles).

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