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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    The Canadian government authorized similar corporate behaviour in Canada a year and a half ago, mostly in the prairie provinces. The case is on its way to the Supreme Court.

    I've read the environmental assessments on using lakes for this. Most of the time it kills all life within the matter of years. There are some marshland plants that can absorb toxic material and break it down over time, but the animal life doesn't have this ability.

    After living in China for a couple of years, I am completely astonished by how non-chalantly North America treats its natural resources. We are so incredibly wasteful and dismissive of the natural bounty we possess. I wish people could see how it is in most other places in the world, where you have to go down the street and buy a jug of water to lug home because the tap water will make you seriously ill if you drink it.

    In developed nations, there is no excuse. Corporations have too much power to pay off government to turn a blind eye or even create laws supporting this behaviour, and because people don't understand what they are losing (since they've always had it), they aren't fighting back. It's sickening.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    It's sooooooooooo precious, that if it wasn't used for jewelry, we'd use it for important stuff?

    Yes, it is all those great things you mentioned. So why do we use it mostly for bling? Why is that? Please, I wanna hear it from you.
    I'm assuming then that you wear no jewelry whatsoever?? No gold, silver, platinum, diamonds, sapphires, emeralds, etc., etc.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Here's a list of chemicals commonly found in tailings:

    * Arsenic - Found in association with gold ores
    * Barite
    * Calcite
    * Fluorite
    * Radioactive materials - Naturally present in many ores
    * Mercury
    * Sulfur - Forms many sulfide compounds / pyrites
    * Cadmium
    * Hydrocarbons - Introduced by mining and processing equipment (oils & greases)
    Besides all that, it's not so bad.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    I don't understand how anyone can justify not disposing of this stuff in a way that is less detrimental to our environment.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    This is Alaska; a 23 acre lake is a puddle, put 50 of them together and you have an ornamental pond.
    And that is relevant how?

    Dumping such chemicals especially when tailings have high concentrations is not a good thing regardless of where you live.

    Don't all of you have environmental problems in your own (tiny) States that need your attention?
    You do realize that the federal regulations apply to all states no? That tailings are now filler for all states no?
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by legojenn View Post
    Besides all that, it's not so bad.
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    Do you take arsenic, cadmium and mercury pills?
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That seems pretty concerning on its face, though I wonder what the concentration would be after dilution in the lake.
    Likely still high. Remember, there are tons of tailings that come out of mines. When they have concentrations in the thousands per million and safe drinking levels are measured in the billions, you'd need to dump it in massively large water bodies like oceans to get that level of dilution.

    There's an intrinsic revulsion toward the idea of dumping anything in a lake, but it isn't clear (to me at least) that such a policy would be that much worse than the alternative:
    But why is that the only alternative? Couldn't they do a similar things to how Superfund is done? Truck it to dry clay bed, dump it and then cover it with plastic lining. Just because we are lazy and cheap doesn't give us to right to dump toxic materials anywhere we please.
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    It's sooooooooooo precious, that if it wasn't used for jewelry, we'd use it for important stuff?

    Yes, it is all those great things you mentioned. So why do we use it mostly for bling? Why is that? Please, I wanna hear it from you.
    We use it mostly for bling because of its relative scarcity. If it was everywhere, it would have no value and could be used, similarly to copper, in appliances and the like.

    Gold is okay in that it stabilizes economies and provides a global currency upon which countries are able to print money. I'm concerned about the effects on the environment though.

    Maybe we should kill two birds with one stone and next time we bomb another country, just dump all of our wastes on them until they can't take it anymore.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    We use it mostly for bling because of its relative scarcity. If it was everywhere, it would have no value and could be used, similarly to copper, in appliances and the like.

    Gold is okay in that it stabilizes economies and provides a global currency upon which countries are able to print money. I'm concerned about the effects on the environment though.

    Maybe we should kill two birds with one stone and next time we bomb another country, just dump all of our wastes on them until they can't take it anymore.
    Hey! I wasn't asking you... but you're right. So far, we as a society have not found enough gold to fill 2 Olympic-sized swimming pools, and that's about it. As for it's destruction to the environment, it's devastating.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    It dosen't. Some crowns and bridges are made from gold, so people can bling their smiles. But, other things can be used that perform as well or better.
    I'm not talking about bling style teeth, I'm talking about regular crowns and bridges.

    Some people have allergic reactions to non precious metals and have to have gold on the cap of the crown.
    The cap is the metal which is used as a base to build the porcelain tooth on.

    I'd take a picture of some models I have but I'm too lazy at the moment.

    Working with gold is a hell of a lot easier than non precious metals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I have no idea what gold conducts. Since gold mining has begun, we have collected no more than would fill a football stadium. So tell me, what do we use it for other than bling???

    All that for bling. Not worth it, IMO.

    Please read the rest of the article. It's an excellent and informative read.


    Gold is an excellent conductor of electricity. It doesn't degrade like other metals do. It's used in a lot of high tech electronics.

    Gold is used in medicine, industry, electronics, dentistry, even NASA uses gold to cover the visors on astronauts space suits.

    Btw I don't agree with them dumping the leftover mining stuff in that lake but gold is very useful outside of the bling stuff.
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