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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Rationally, it makes little sense, but from a legal perspective as what constitutes filler material as defined and expanded by the previous administration, it follows the rules. Therefore, the permits should have been allowed as tailings was added to the filler material list.

    The sick part about this is that tilling material is full of highly toxic chemicals. As for Palin, I'm willing to bet she doesn't understand the issue, particularly exactly what tailings often contain.

    Here's a list of chemicals commonly found in tailings:

    * Arsenic - Found in association with gold ores
    * Barite
    * Calcite
    * Fluorite
    * Radioactive materials - Naturally present in many ores
    * Mercury
    * Sulfur - Forms many sulfide compounds / pyrites
    * Cadmium
    * Hydrocarbons - Introduced by mining and processing equipment (oils & greases)
    If it is based on what is considered filler material under the law, can we not change the definition as the Bush administration did and undue this?

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If it is based on what is considered filler material under the law, can we not change the definition as the Bush administration did and undue this?
    Yes, but, and this is the stickler. Obama would not only have to change the rule, but make it retroactive. I really don't think he'll do that. They are reviewing all the EPA regs, the ones Bush relaxed to allow crap like this. This was one of the worst rules that will allow other corporations to basically dump anything that can be suspended in a liquid into pristine waterways like this lake.
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    * Arsenic - Found in association with gold ores
    * Barite
    * Calcite
    * Fluorite
    * Radioactive materials - Naturally present in many ores
    * Mercury
    * Sulfur - Forms many sulfide compounds / pyrites
    * Cadmium
    * Hydrocarbons - Introduced by mining and processing equipment (oils & greases)
    These are all naturally occuring, and in the case of the oil and grease, they could possibly be biodegradable. If the lubricants aren't biodegradable, then that's an obvious problem. The oil and gas industry has been using biodegradable lubricants for a couple of decades, now.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Rationally, it makes little sense, but from a legal perspective as what constitutes filler material as defined and expanded by the previous administration, it follows the rules. Therefore, the permits should have been allowed as tailings was added to the filler material list.

    The sick part about this is that tilling material is full of highly toxic chemicals. As for Palin, I'm willing to bet she doesn't understand the issue, particularly exactly what tailings often contain.

    Here's a list of chemicals commonly found in tailings:

    * Arsenic - Found in association with gold ores
    * Barite
    * Calcite
    * Fluorite
    * Radioactive materials - Naturally present in many ores
    * Mercury
    * Sulfur - Forms many sulfide compounds / pyrites
    * Cadmium
    * Hydrocarbons - Introduced by mining and processing equipment (oils & greases)
    In what concentration?
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Maybe 6 supreme court justices and the governor know more about this than we do by reading an article about it.
    You should read Ginsburg's dissent. While she does make note that the law does support the permits, it does not, in her view, allow circumvention of environmental laws.
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If it is based on what is considered filler material under the law, can we not change the definition as the Bush administration did and undue this?
    Only if the law was made to be retroactive. Permits applied for under the old system generally aren't considered under the new laws.
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These are all naturally occuring, and in the case of the oil and grease, they could possibly be biodegradable. If the lubricants aren't biodegradable, then that's an obvious problem. The oil and gas industry has been using biodegradable lubricants for a couple of decades, now.
    Just what I was going to say. All of these are natually occuring and may not have lasting harmful affects on the area (I didnt dive into it). But even if it is harmful (which Im always agaisnt) how is this any different then any other waste product we produce? Nearly every single things we use today pollutes the earth in one way or another yet it does not stop us from continuing to use them. It all ends up in one place, our planet. If we dump it in a lake or bury it in the ground, hundreds of years later its still on our planet.

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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    In what concentration?
    Don't know. That largely depends on the geographical conditions of the mine. Some will produce higher concentrations. In some mines, arsenic concentrations in ores can hit 1000 mg/kg arsenic. Remember that the maximum concentration in drinking water is 0.010 mg/L (or 10 parts per billion). Arsenic Rule | Arsenic | Safewater Home | Water | EPA Home

    . At the Kelly mine, 0.5 M tons of mill tailings and an equal amount of waste rock have arsenic concentrations averaging 1500 ppm and 2000 ppm, respectively. Breaches in the tailings pond have released tailings into “Red Mountain Wash” and Cuddeback Lake, 15 km from the mine site. Tailings from the Yellow Aster and adjacent gold mines have similarly high As levels, (3,800 - 13,000 ppm) and tailings have migrated from a breached tailings pond into Fiddler Gulch and Fremont Valley, 20 km from the mine site. Wind-blown tailings have formed dune fields up to 6 feet high (As concentration 4,000 ppm). On the Kelly mine tailings, a surface crust cemented by Mg-Al- and K-Al sulfate, gypsum, and barite, serves to mitigate wind dispersal
    ARSENIC CONTAMINATION FROM THE KELLY SILVER AND YELLOW ASTER GOLD MINE TAILINGS, CALIFORNIA; A POTENTIAL HEALTH CONCERN IN THE NORTH-CENTRAL MOJAVE DESERT

    But that may be on the high side.
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Just what I was going to say. All of these are natually occuring and may not have lasting harmful affects on the area (I didnt dive into it).
    In small amounts, which is not generally associated with mining. Historically, some tailings have concentrations well in excess of anything safe. As noted in the article, the amount of tailings and associated chemicals is likely to kill off all live in the lake. There are safer, less damaging ways to disposal. Merely because we are lazy and cheap does not equate to a right to destroy the planet.

    But even if it is harmful (which Im always agaisnt) how is this any different then any other waste product we produce?
    Because we have actual laws that require rational disposal? Well, we did under the last, last administration.

    If we dump it in a lake or bury it in the ground, hundreds of years later its still on our planet.
    But that does not mean we jump for the lazy method that is being done here.
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    Re: Court OKs dumping gold mine waste in lake

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These are all naturally occuring, and in the case of the oil and grease, they could possibly be biodegradable. If the lubricants aren't biodegradable, then that's an obvious problem. The oil and gas industry has been using biodegradable lubricants for a couple of decades, now.
    How do you defend dumping Arsenic, Mercury and Cadmium into lakes?
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